Brother Yun's Son on "My Greatest Influence"

According to The Heavenly Man - Brother Yun's book, while in prison an abortion was booked by the authorities on his unborn child. The day before this appointment Isaac was born premature! This is Pastor Isaac's testimony of who has been the main influence on his life, after Jesus Christ. This is from the TV programme "Precepts of Leadership: Isaac Liu" available at www.principles.tv. Other guests include Heidi Baker, Jentezen Franklin, Peter Wenz, Keith & Mary Hudson (parents of singer Katy Perry and in-laws of Russell Brand) Dr. Young Hoon Lee (Senior Pastor of the world's largest church in Seoul, Korea) and others.

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[hans89]

@michiman57 That would be a very sad purpose. What is the proof that that is our purpose? Couldn't we just die out as well? Wouldn't it all be the same? Any man can decide not to procreate. who is to say he is missing his purpose? Our purpose is to seek God. No, I didn't make it up. You can find evidence that people have had the same idea a long time before me. I know that isn't the evidence you are asking for. I cannot give that to you.

[michiman57]

@hans89 every creatures purpose is to survive and pass on their genes to the next generation. any other purpose you seek, is just something you put in your brain that you want to believe. if it makes you feel better having a purpose, fine, but reproduction is the only real prupose anybody has. tell me what your purpose is, and show me evidence that it is our natural prupose, not something you made up

[hans89]

@michiman57 what theory? It is the nature of human beings to seek a purpose. They may be very good at distracting themselves and others from it, but it is still human nature to seek a purpose. look through all of world literature, for example.

[michiman57]

@hans89 in my opinion, my purpose is to live a good life instead of kissing some invisible mans ass all my life. there is nothing that suggests he is real. your "god" has absolutely no impact on life on earth. unless you can give me evidendce (which every single christian has failed to do) i will not kiss a fake mans ass. i cursed out god, i told him to go fuck himself, i told him to go ahead and make me suffer for all of it, but guess what... nothing has ever happened and im still living happy

[michiman57]

@hans89 logic and reason can change man. did you know that countries with higher populations of atheists have a much lower crime rate than religious countries? it is because atheists go by facts and not fiction. the bible is considered myth, since it has no more evidence or facts supporting it than the tooth fairy, flying unicorns or dragons. also just because you want to have a final purpose in life, does absolutely not mean there is one. once again, nothing supports this theory of a purpose

[hans89]

@michiman57 should have been "final reason" not "person."

[hans89]

@michiman57 you a final person. They cannot tell you who you are, where you are coming from and where you are going. What is logic and reason without love? If people have no final purpose, they will assume their ego is the final purpose. And where is that leading us? Can logic and reason change the heart of man and make a saint from a murderer?

[hans89]

@michiman57 You did not answer my question but posed another question. Let me answer yours first: Christians are not against logic and reason. Logic and reason do not preclude that there is more than can be seen with the eye, measured with a scientific instrument or thought with a brain. Just because you have not experienced what others have experienced doesn't mean their experiences are invalid. How can you use logic and reason if you do not have a final purpose? They cannot give

[michiman57]

@VikPal1 i have read the bible multiple times. i was christian all my life. the bible is a fairy tale equally fake as harry potter books and the flying spaghetti monster. please tell me you are smarter than that

[michiman57]

@hans89 can religion give you logic and reason? no, but science can. and for some unknown reason christians seem to be against logic and reason just so they can believe in an invisible man from the sky.