How David Baker's Bebop Scales come about - for anyone interested

Basically, just a reply to someone on you tube who said that the bebop scales of David Baker are nothing more than rhythmic devices and implied that the added notes are only passing.

Also - I've poised a question on the vid Richie cole i love lucy




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpjioRqqkMY

At the present time no one has bothered to answer this so
Evidently, if no one is interested I won't need to explain it.

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• Conn6m
• Charlie
• Parker
• David
• Baker
• Bebop
• Jazz
• theory
• harmonics

[conn6m]

1. I just blocked MfeltTheMusic and I'll tell you all why. The Guy is an idiot. He dosn't know the first thing about the meaning of the word Coincidence or Jazz harmony. To say a coincidence happens 100% of the time. What planet is this guy living on. The whole meaning of coincidence is a rare coming together of two unconnected events. There's nothing unconnected about notes in scales. If you accept his reasoning Newton and Einstein's work in physics was all just pure coincidence.

[conn6m]

@conn6m 2 secondly he calls himself a musician (look on his site) and yet he doesn't understand harmony. His argument is to say it does not really matter what choice note the boppers used. It could have been anything. He states you can use the #11 to colour a major scale - complete rubbish. To use the #11 (that's F# on c major) as a passing note would mean the note F would be on a beat - and you all know what that means. a fourth on a c major chord breaks the rules of tensions.

[conn6m]

3. You know i've spent years thinking about this and then I get someone whos only way to criticize is to say its all coincidence. How would you all feel about that? How do you think Newton would feel if his laws of motion had been simply dismissed as coincidence. If people are going to comment on here please talk sence,

[MFeltTheMusic]

As interesting and colorful this is, I have to disagree with this. If you examine solos from major artist since the bebop period (Bird, Dizzy, Bud, Brownie, Cannonball, Bill Evans, Trane, Miles and so on), they have used the added note in the bebop scales as just as a device to make chord tones fall on the downbeats (passing tones). While interesting, I feel your discoveries are purely coincidental.

[conn6m]

@MFeltTheMusic 3. You also state that the added notes are just passing tones, Wrong! You hear them on the beat all the time by all kinds of people even the likes of Richie Cole (this would appear as b13 on a major chord). However, you only play them on the beat in special circumstances - again thinking about upper harmonics explains beautifully why they work on the beat - something concert composers call false relations,

[conn6m]

@MFeltTheMusic 4. In several months time (when I get the chance) I will be putting on a much longer video about Charlie Parker - how I see him.(You tube has just upgraded my site) This will be a hell of a lot more Controversial as I'll be discussing US racism which I think played a great deal more in the birth of bebop than a lot of American writers care to admit, I'll also explain the theory in greater detail.

So keep looking in - if only one person finds it interesting it be worth while.

[ChairsMusic]

Thanks brother! i'm actually going to buy this book, now i'm not buying it anymore. i will watch all your videos and study them. i've been wondering for years how bebop works and come about. how on earth i'm going to thank you?

Happy 2012 to you.

be Blessed

[19990SAND]

You make good good sense Thank you :) Happy New Year :)

[MFeltTheMusic]

@conn6m 1. It's possible for a coincidence to happen 100% of the time. I can say there's a tritone in every bebop scale but that has no relevance to it. 2. I never said they WERE bebop artists, I referred to them as major artists SINCE the bebop era who have used bebop scales. 3. The #5 CAN be used to color a major line on the downbeat, like the #11 which isn't apart of the major bebop scale. 4. And you're asking others to consider your point of view yet you're shooting down everyone else's. o_0

[conn6m]

@MFeltTheMusic 2. This brings me to another point. You state that Cannonball, Evans, Trane, Miles are bebop players - they are not. This is because of the way they phrase their solos. The rhythm in a Cannonball Adderley solo is very different in many places to Charlie Parker. Davis was a total individual who again phrases his solos different as does Coltrane and Evans. The term hard bop comes to mind with these players. Diz, Bud, Brown,Fats,Stitt are pure bebop players their Rythm is pure Bird