William Lane Craig (3/6) Teleological/Fine Tuning Argument
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you're missing the point , the point is the universe is very unlikely to exist infact in passes the limit givin by F.Tipler massively so what best explains it ,it can't be chance the odds are far to great much greater than the history of seconds or number of atoms in the universe. It can't be physical necessity they are independent of the laws of nature therefore it's best explained by design. Theism better explains it than Atheism.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl "on theism life is valuable on atheism it's not". Correct - and it's this (unfounded) assertion that drives FTA.
Theism proceeds with "life is special, therefore...". I reject this assumption. Life is no more special to me than any other natural phenomenon:).
JMUDoc 1 week ago
That is not the anthropic principle, The reason this ia an argument for theism is because on theism life is valuable on atheism it's not so theism better explains the fine tuning.
again there is a limit to chance F.tipler puts it at 10^80 and entropy is one out of dozens of constants.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl "life is a value and against all odds has come up."
And this is the anthropic principle summarized in one sentence. WHY is life a value?
"and against all odds has come up." Exactly. "Against all odds" doesn't necessarily mean "somebody had to make it happen".
JMUDoc 1 week ago
The difference is you have specified an outcome which is valuable , you can't possibly tell me an out come is just as likely as a specified out come the difference is
1;10^100 to 10^100; 10^100
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
Seriously look up probability.
The computer is going to pick a number and each number is equaly as improbable, they have no value over eachother.
A universe with life in it has life that is the difference , life is a value and against all odds has come up.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl OK, if you ask a computer for a number between 1 and 10^100, WITHOUT having a "goal" number in mind, WHATEVER number (78, for example) comes up had a 10^100 chance of doing so. You wouldn't bat an eyelid - something had to come up.
However, if you CHOOSE 78 (or a universe with life in it) as the goal, and it comes up, it's NOT chance? Why not? What's different about the second experiment other than the GOAL?
JMUDoc 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl And who says there aren't/weren't 10^80 lifeless universes other than ours? We have absolutely no way to know.
JMUDoc 1 week ago
And that's generous but again the anthropic principle doesn't explain, why?
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
*SIGH* you really don't get probability if there are 116,532,800 tickets bought then no someone is going to win, F.Tipler a mathimaticain says any probability greater than 10^80 is not chance.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago