Betty McCollum Omits "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance
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@M3hammerdown There will come a time when the answer to all these questions will be given. I propose that you can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. You win the argument. Good fortune in all to you and yours. Thank you.
Ironman713x 1 week ago
@M3hammerdown I should keep it to myself and allow you the latitude to express yourself? You win. I will.
Ironman713x 1 week ago
@Ironman713x Educate yourself on the answer to that question. I have spent enough time with you. search "forefathers on religion". I am not allowed to post the links I want you to read.
M3hammerdown 1 week ago
@Ironman713x Confused again are you? Individuals have freedom from religion and I exercise it. I don't need to stifle what anyone ELSE is doing. As long as it doesn't govern me I don't care if you worship a watermelon. Typical Christian, not enough for you to have the right to believe, you need everyone else to as well.
M3hammerdown 1 week ago
@M3hammerdown Fortunately a growing number of people have also become intolerant of your Christian policies and the promotion of your imaginary friend. Believe what you want. Keep it to yourself and your church. Government has no business endorsing any of it.
M3hammerdown 1 week ago
Nor is human morality rooted in "God." In fact I find it rather alarming when Christians say they behave according to moral values "because of God". Does that mean, without him you would be a violent moral-less animal? Civilized behavior is learned behavior. You learn to get along with others in community-oriented species or you are dealt with. Do you think a pride of lions hunts, cooperates, and cares for their young together because God taught them morals?
M3hammerdown 1 week ago
@Ironman713x Really? Go find "god" in the constitution. Freedom FROM religion isn't impossible. We are way behind most other countries who are approaching 50% atheist/agnostic rates including our close friends in Europe. Human rights are not granted by God, nor are they even recognized consistently across nations or cultures. If God granted them I would expect a little more global consistency. You're confusing concepts of liberty with human rights granted within a religious framework.
M3hammerdown 1 week ago
@M3hammerdown Betty McCollum is free to express her belief, religious or not. She is free to express it in her private as well as in her public responsibility. The other side of that coin is that she, and all of us, do not live in a country where everyone else must respect her opinion, We are as free to speak out, however critical. That right is endowed by God. Religion might have nothing to do with your patriotism, which I do NOT question at all, but God has much to do with mine.
Ironman713x 1 week ago
@M3hammerdown Freedom FROM religion is impossible. For that, you would have to have the right to stifle every practitioner of every religion. The Constitution delineates no such right. In fact, our right to expression and speech may not be abridged by any law created under the Constitution. These rights also extend to people within the government. Believe as you will, God's hand is still the guiding force in our continuing independence.
Ironman713x 1 week ago
@M3hammerdown First, I didn't cite Kennedy as a forefather. How typical you obscure the statement and sentiment with vitriol. This country was founded "Under God." Look back at the founding documents. Remove every document from our archive that references God, or even premises God, & we would still be British subjects. ALL of our founding documents were political, and pay homage to God. Adding him to the pledge just corrected an oversight. Which founding father would take your view?
Ironman713x 1 week ago