CALVINISM- 'Why I Am Not A 5 Point Calvinist' - By Dr. Norman Geisler (5 OF 9)

(5 OF 9) WOW A MUST SEE!!! At 'A Moment of Truth' (AMomentOfTruth.org), we are in total agreement with Dr. Geisler. We believe Calvinism is an attack on Gods Character for "God Is Love" (1 John 4:8, 16). God is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). We discern from the Word of God that most people wont be saved despite the fact that God desires for all to be saved! However, God does't send people to Hell. They choose to go there. 'MY CALVINIST BROTHER AND SISTER, MAYBE YOU NEED MORE OF GOD'S LOVE AND MERCY IN YOU, MAYBE!!!' (Sammy Sabbagh, 'A Moment of Truth').

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[Strefanasha]

Limited Atonement is the blasphemy that makes my blood boil.

For God so loved the Elect that he gave his only son?

that they refuse to accept that John 3:16 speaks most clearly to the contrary shows that they are blinded by a doctrinal commitment

[shteve77]

@sketchbook1 Yes, the Calvinist praises God for saving them, but it's like a person pushing a whole family of people off a cliff into the ocean, saving one or two of them, leaving most of them to drown, and the ones he saved are supposed to be thankful and bow down in praise to the one who saved them, when the only reason they needed to be saved in the first place is because their "saviour" caused them to fall in the first place.

[Mcfirefly2]

@philipatoz This is exactly right. He wants each individual to be saved, He reaches out to each one—If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to me—but the one thing He won't do is force the will of anyone, in spite of His love. Only with freedom to choose or reject can there even be love or true loyalty of heart.

[Mcfirefly2]

@Calvinism101 We fall in love with Jesus.

[hitthesurf23]

This is right on! And all so 1 John 2:2

[Calvinism101]

Sadly, this Dr. knows little or nothing about the extent of the Atonement. Arminians fall in love with words such as "all" and "world" without looking at the context. In 2 Peter 3:9, Peter is writing to the church and must be understood in that context. He is not writing to worldlings. Besides if God wanted all to be saved then He will do just that. God's decretive will can't be resisted which frustrates the Arminian and his idol of free-will

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

@metanoeo1 No, it does not say 'desires'. It says God WILLS. And furthermore, you're getting tangled up in this calvinist web of contradictions in the very same post: your all-sovereign god WOULD LIKE TO all men be saved, but somehow he cannot do this... Why? Because the calvinist god is not sovereign. Only his decree is sovereign.

[metanoeo1]

The word used for "desires" in 1 Tim 2:4 is never ever, ever used to express the divine decree of God, but his desire. He would like all men to be saved. If he is saying that God desires all men to be saved, then all men will be saved. That is the doctrine of universalism and is clearly not Biblical. He seems to enjoy taking bits of verses or bit of passages and forgetting context altogether.

[shteve77]

@sketchbook1 That's 100% correct. All praise to the God of Calvinism for imposing Irresistible Grace on men, but they seem to forget to 'praise' God for imposing Irresistible reprobation upon Adam and the whole Human race! They can't have it both ways. If God uses His sovereignty to control everysingle thing that happens including all things that men do, then God is responsible for all good that happens and also all evil that happens!

[sketchbook1]

@sketchbook1 I mean, they only call it "credit" or "glory" when God saves someone... they don't say it very often when referring to the credit God deserves (in their system) for the condemnation of the reprobate.