@BeondaPale Cont'd - How many have at least one (some have more) bases in Antarctica? What's the energy requirement for all that? I'm not doing anything to affect the ocean or ice, but THEY are. Shouldn't THEY be the ones doing the math?
@BeondaPale Well, gee, I don't know - we're not talking about one "biopsy" by one "doctor". In this case we're talking about 3,000. It's not my job to know how much it affects the outcome of their experiment - it's theirs. How many countries have their various private scientific organizations plus their official government departments (like NOAA, NASA, Navy, etc) running around drilling holes in the ice they are so afraid of losing?
HOW MUCH would something like that affect the experiment?
AGAIN:
Are you in danger of death or overall harm AT ALL when a doctor takes a blood for tests?
OR does the benefit of checking for various diseases outweigh the negative impact of a needle prick and the tiny amount of blood you've lost that will come back in no time??
You REFUSE to answer this simple analogous question because the answer is obvious and exposes your argument for the total absurdity that it is
@BeondaPale I never said it would harm the ocean - I said it would affect the experiment. This is the hipocrisy of the warmists - THEY believe what we are doing is harming the planet - so THEY have "ecotourism" and endlessly drill ice cores. THEY complain that WE'RE encroaching on nature and then THEY put 3,000 floats in the ocean to monitor it - but THEY don't want us to be able to heat our homes. Our CO2 contribution is a paltry 3-4% of the total CO2 amount. 96-97% comes from elsewhere.
That's what I'm asking you. Like I said, any impact due to measurement must be viewed in the context of the benefits of the knowledge such measurements produce
If you think 3000 floats in the ENTIRE OCEAN is going to have ANY fundamental effect on that ocean, then I'm sorry, you just have no idea how big the ocean is
Again, if a doctor takes a biopsy (a sample of one of your organs), is the little piece of you that he's cutting off enough to put you in danger? Clearly the answer is no
@BeondaPale Well, how much energy did it take to put 3,000 of those floats in place? It's kind of like all the holes they drill in the Arctic ice. You get enough orgainizations doing that and it's going to have a negative effect on the outcome of your experiment. You cannot be a part of your own experiment - you must remain outside of it.
@BeondaPale Cont'd - How many have at least one (some have more) bases in Antarctica? What's the energy requirement for all that? I'm not doing anything to affect the ocean or ice, but THEY are. Shouldn't THEY be the ones doing the math?
anoniab 1 year ago
@BeondaPale Well, gee, I don't know - we're not talking about one "biopsy" by one "doctor". In this case we're talking about 3,000. It's not my job to know how much it affects the outcome of their experiment - it's theirs. How many countries have their various private scientific organizations plus their official government departments (like NOAA, NASA, Navy, etc) running around drilling holes in the ice they are so afraid of losing?
anoniab 1 year ago
HOW MUCH would something like that affect the experiment?
AGAIN:
Are you in danger of death or overall harm AT ALL when a doctor takes a blood for tests?
OR does the benefit of checking for various diseases outweigh the negative impact of a needle prick and the tiny amount of blood you've lost that will come back in no time??
You REFUSE to answer this simple analogous question because the answer is obvious and exposes your argument for the total absurdity that it is
BeondaPale 1 year ago
@BeondaPale I never said it would harm the ocean - I said it would affect the experiment. This is the hipocrisy of the warmists - THEY believe what we are doing is harming the planet - so THEY have "ecotourism" and endlessly drill ice cores. THEY complain that WE'RE encroaching on nature and then THEY put 3,000 floats in the ocean to monitor it - but THEY don't want us to be able to heat our homes. Our CO2 contribution is a paltry 3-4% of the total CO2 amount. 96-97% comes from elsewhere.
anoniab 1 year ago
LOL - you just went from one extreme to the other !!
FROM: 3000 floats in the ocean is too much !! it will harm the ocean !!
TO: all mankinds activities on the entire planet which have cause an overall PLANET WIDE increase of close to 40% in CO2 will have ZERO effect !!
:o) I knew it - I can see one of you dishonest frauds from a mile away
BeondaPale 1 year ago
@BeondaPale "If you think 3000 floats in the ENTIRE OCEAN is going to have ANY fundamental effect on that ocean"
The same can be said for the increase in our miniscule contribution to the increase in CO2.
anoniab 1 year ago
That's what I'm asking you. Like I said, any impact due to measurement must be viewed in the context of the benefits of the knowledge such measurements produce
If you think 3000 floats in the ENTIRE OCEAN is going to have ANY fundamental effect on that ocean, then I'm sorry, you just have no idea how big the ocean is
Again, if a doctor takes a biopsy (a sample of one of your organs), is the little piece of you that he's cutting off enough to put you in danger? Clearly the answer is no
BeondaPale 1 year ago
@BeondaPale Well, how much energy did it take to put 3,000 of those floats in place? It's kind of like all the holes they drill in the Arctic ice. You get enough orgainizations doing that and it's going to have a negative effect on the outcome of your experiment. You cannot be a part of your own experiment - you must remain outside of it.
anoniab 1 year ago
@anoniab to what degree?
BeondaPale 1 year ago
@anoniab
Any negative impact due to measurement must (OF COURSE) be viewed in the context of the benefits of the knowledge such measurements produce.
Further, to find out to what degree (if any) you are correct in your assumption would require -- you guessed it -- MEASUREMENT
Do you suggest man never measure anything at all? Stop going to the doctor then. All that poking and prodding might make you sick.
BeondaPale 1 year ago