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They change stuff... but still have terrible doctrine...

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[blackblade789]

Answer the accusation?! HA ha -That would require HONOR.. You'll find none of that in omiolo or the Mormon church.

No one lies more about mormons than mormons.

[anonazero]

lying about the mormon church when HE'S READING YOUR OWN BOOKS BACK TO YOU WORD FOR WORD!

[cesarcris]

The Nave's topical Bible confirms this context to the word "Jews":

"After the dissolution of the kingdom of Israel the name was applied to all Israelites, as well as to those of the two remaining tribes"

Jod is loved by the Antis lool You couldn't resist to quote it. But if you really read it you will see Lamanites and the jews are shown as 2 different people but with a common ground (the house of Israel).

Just an advice before you copying stuff from your anti books you better read it first.

[cesarcris]

Exodus and his copy+paste expertise Loool.

Let me remember what is going on. You wrongly said Lehi had jewish heritage. I correct your inacuracy with your own quote of the BOM. You in place of correcting yourself (as a good Christian should do), you used a scripture out of context. It's sad you are showing your ignorance about the BOM. Nephi in II Nephi 30 is talking about 2 kind of people, the gentiles and Jews. The word Jews is used in a broader sense and meaning the entire House of Israel

[Exodus314IAM]

So then what about 2 Nephi 30:4 "And then shall the remnant of our seed know concerning us, how that we came out from Jerusalem, and that they are descendants of the JEWS."

Journal of Discourses 22:173 "The Lamanites, now a down-trodden people, are a remnant of the house of Israel. The curse of God has followed them as it has done the Jews, though the Jews have not been darkened in their skin as have the Lamanites"

[cesarcris]

Exodus

I wonder if you ever read Alma 10:3!!! That scripture says Lehi was a MANASSEH descendant (he is not Jewish). You may not know but they are different tribes.

[Exodus314IAM]

Didn't Lehi have Jewish heritage (Alma 10:3)? and if so why does DNA deny any link between Indians and the Jews?

[cesarcris]

You are reading too much anti mormon literature and not seeing the real facts:

- Marinda had no children until his husband came to Nauvoo from Jerusalem in 7 December 1842

- Orson Washington Hyde was born 9 November 1843

- Orson Hyde went to washington between 4 April 1844 and 6 August 1844

- Joseph martyrdom 27 June 1844

- Frank Hyde birth in 23 january 1846 according his death certificate

Joseph couldn't be Frank's father and Hyde was with Marinda in the Orson conception.

[cesarcris]

Hey man you so funny?!!! You are saying "eyewitness accounts from dozens of people ". Well Brodie said they were only EIGHT. and she also wrote "It can clearly be seen that the affidavits were written by Hurlbut, since the style is the same throughout. It may be noted also that although five out of the eight had heard Spaulding's story only once, there was a surprising uniformity in the details they remembered after twenty-two years" (Brodie - No Man knows my history) Brodie is anti mormon

[cesarcris]

Well Antis also changed their doctrines too. Loool

The Spaulding theory is a good example of it. Until the spaulding manuscript was found no one talked about 2 manuscripts. Only after that you guys somehow discovered there were 2 of them. No wonder other well known antis (like brodie and the Tanners) rejected that theory.

Is also recorded that Rigdon was converted in 1830 reading the BOM and he never meet JS before BOM was published.

[cesarcris]

Well there's enough evidence to convince any jury that antis will invent anything to disacredit JS!!!

Don't forget many others babies were "accused" as being JS sons and DNA science has shown they weren't..

I think you are talking about Frank Hyde who was born in 1846 (according his death certificate) after JS death, but Brodie in error said he was born in 1845 and didn't cited sources. Well there's enough proof to shown any jury who are in error! Don't you think?

[cesarcris]

Same tactic was used with the spaulding theory. They hide the book and they said BOM was copied from it. Unfortunally for them the book was discovered and everybody can see today that they are very different and theory was rejected by other anti mormon (ex Brodie)