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The recent death of Mr. Jackson has my head spinning. Why would Christians see him as they would a great man like the Savior? Listen to my comments.

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[dsydebot]

I know this is an older video, but I'd like to interact with a few of the things you've said. On my mind is this idea that we must love what God loves, and that God loves the world (as per John 3:16). Titus 1:8 also exhorts its recipients to "love what is good", and we cannot deny that God knows the world to be good--otherwise, he would not have made it.

Of interest to me is that St. John, in 1st John 2:15, uses a derivative of "agape" in his instruction to refrain from "loving" the world...

[johncole1234]

@dsydebot One would have to make a clear distinction between the physical or the moral world. All of us are engaged in some way of loving this world or the age. it is seen in the food that we eat down to the clothes that we wear, especially here in American where fashion is concerned. The point is that we ought not place anything over and above that love or God and that we need to seek to love as He loves us; which I think is the ultimate characteristic of our faith.

[johncole1234]

Well I am always trying tro be serious to all of the serious folks out there that are left on the planet Earth! PJ

[johncole1234]

Appreciate One's contributions . . Granted. . Then look deeper; what and who is behind the work. What were the rewards that came his way and who will be affected by what one does? Think people. These are the kinds of question the Lord will demand of each of us.

[johncole1234]

We Christians have no other option but to tell it like it really is. Thanks for watching! PJ

[johncole1234]

The issue is not loving him, rather the idea is what Americans love and the ambiguity works when most of us are totally worldly!

[DD2ooming]

Thy don't pay my bills lol.... hey PJ its David Duran we still practicing righteousness!

[dsydebot]

@dsydebot ...recognition that God is the source of every good, physical and spiritual, and that we can't add anything to ourselves.

At the same time we should be humbled by the thought that God desires His glory for our sake, not for His, since He is in need of nothing, and we can add nothing to Him. He isn't in competition with us, any more that I am in competition with my son or my wife; their glory *is* my glory. I am happy when people honor them.

[dsydebot]

@dsydebot No creature can bring anything new into existence. No creature can make new truth. All we can do is rearrange the things already here to explicate the truth and beauty that God had already instilled in them. So when Michael Jackson danced, he was explicating aspects of the created beauty of the human form. The natural human reaction to this is admiration, which I think is of itself *good*, even if sin mars and obscures this goodness. Behind every act of admiration should be the...

[dsydebot]

"One would have to make a clear distinction between the physical or the moral world." The implications of this truth are often misread by a modern audience whose thinking about the body and the soul is very much a sort of "Ghost in the Machine" assumption. God brings his power and wisdom to bear on everything he sustains in existence, material and immaterial. I think there is something to be said of the former that provides insight into the human love of artists and their art.

[dsydebot]

@dsydebot In any case, it seems that there are two ways we can do this towards the world: a good way (i.e., the way God does), and a bad way (i.e., the way St. John condemns). I have my own thoughts on the distinction between the two, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. Pax!

[dsydebot]

@dsydebot ...and this is also true of John 3:16. Both works share the same human author. But even though the same basic word is used, it must be that they are being used in 2 different ways. Most Christians are aware that "agape" refers to a particular species of love--selfless love--and that it means to seek the good of another *as* other, putting oneself aside. Or, we could say that "agape" is to make a gift of oneself for the good of another.

[rwill117]

LMAO@ "Michael Jackson, needless to say, we don't have to say much about that"...."one of the greatest dancers that I've ever seen on the worldly scene, that's about it"......ur hilarious