LMM Episode 13-Scream Louder

There are people that still think that Bush is a good person. There are people that still think the Iraq war is a good thing or a Christlike action. They have the right to think that. The only response we have is to scream.

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• Liberal
• Mormon
• Musings
• Bush
• Iraq
• War
• Scream
• Kucinich
• Impeachment
• Obama
• McCain
• McKinney
• Barr

[HiveRadical]

Give us the exact words from the report and in context. Let's see it verbatim.

[seyaso]

You haven't demonstrated anything to him or anyone HiveRadical, the FACTS are FACTS.

ALL SIXTEEN OF OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES SAID HE WAS NO THREAT, then immediately following that bush claimed we were in immediate danger.

You need to read that report

You are obviously just out to do what Faux News does and twist and warp anything just to try to sway people's vision of the truth.

The truth, testimony and documents and everything else is right there for you, it is up to YOU to face up to it.

[HiveRadical]

I don't know too much about Udall and Smith I'm a little under informed on too, Reid I know about much more since his rise to power. I thought Smith's stuff on polygamy to be an interesting controversy.

[HiveRadical]

muzutu,

I also think it's erroneous to paint this as me asking you to explain what's already been explained, I'm not doing anything of the sort, rather I'm asking you to present the strongest of the group and then be prepared to defend the reasoning required to get from point A to your determinations. I've demonstrated your presentation and subsequent conclusion as erroneous on the threat point, such fudging betrays a bias the trends towards distortion and often accompanies faulty assumptions.

[HiveRadical]

A combination of both a few inaccuracies and a failure to demonstrate a real and cohesive understanding the nature of the situations being judged makes your claims of lying and deceit and evil come off as, IMO, loony. And your poor analogy equating judging the intents of a person engaged in part of running a sovereign state to the simplicity of manipulating strings to tie a knot acts as another piece of evidence that you're wanting in cognitive comprehensiveness in your analyses.

[HiveRadical]

They didn't say he was "no threat UNLESS WE ATTACKED HIM." They said they perceived the immediate threat level as being low, but they didn't say it was non-existent and they never claimed (as intelligence generally can not) that they knew that their conclusions were accurate.

[HiveRadical]

No. I disagree with the underlying assumptions. This isn't a matter of tying knots, there are huge assumptions made in coming to the conclusion that the hard data means they were lying, deceiving or otherwise going against their obligations or engaged in wrong doing.

[muzutu]

I'm not going to waste my time explaining what is already explained, you don't think the articles are true and supportable, so as I said originally, YOU prove one wrong.

It's FACT that they sold the war on lies.

One example, the CIA gave Bush a report by ALL 16 of our spy agencies and it said Saddam was no threat UNLESS WE ATTACKED HIM.

A couple days later in Cincinnati, bush then said he was an immenent threat.

THAT IS NOT HINDSITE, THAT IS SEEING THE FACT HE INTENTIONALLY LIED.

[muzutu]

The hard data is correct, but you need to be show how to come to a conclusion?

Do you need to be shown how to tie your shoes too?

[omiolo]

"I'm sad to hear that omiolo! "

don't tell me you don't like Udall from New Mexico too?

What about Gordon Smith?