Ray Bourque Career Highlights
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@gumguy25 Fact A Eddie Shore is one of the best players ever. Fact B your missing my point Datsyuk is a TWO WAY FORWARD no shit he doesn't get the most points since he's A TWO WAY FORWARD that's his job get points and stop goals and lidstrom is a DEFENCEMANhis job isn't primarily to get points it is to defend the fact he is so good offensively as well is incredible. Fact C hockey is not just about being physical Datsyuk is physical when he needs to be he even got a Gordie how hatrick /thread
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@skullmastor13 Fact A: Lidstrom and Datsyuk had much better teammates than Bourque and Thornton Fact B: still, Bourque and Thornton heavily outscored Lidstrom and Datsyuk, Fact C: Not only did they score more points, Bourque and Thornton were tough and physical, can't say the same about Lidstrom and Datsyuk. For those reasons, you'll never convince me that Bourque and Thornton weren't better. Also, did you know d-man Eddie Shore had 4 Hart trophies? (only Gretzky and Howe won more)
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Lidstrom has more Norris' and Smythes hence how good he is on the team. Points don't mean your the best defenceman. Doug Harvey is one of the top 3 best defenceman ever and he doesn't score alot of points. IMO top three defencman ever 1. Orr 2. Lidstrom. 3. Harvey
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@gymguy25Lidstrom was key to 4 Stanley cups .Datsyuk is a two way forward he gets over a point a game. Thorton is a power forward one of the best in the league. But Datsyuk is offensive and defensive. Without Lidstrom and Datsyuk detroit wouldn't have won the cup in 2008 they are key players to the wings. Datsyuk doesn't need to gett 100 point seasons because he is a two player he helps OFFENSIVELY and DEFENSIVELY . LIdstrom is a better defenceman than Bourque POINTS DON'T MEAN EVERYTHING.
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@skullmastor13 a guy named Claude Provost won 9 Cups with the Habs, Gretzky only won 4, by your logic, Provost was better than Gretzky. Winning the Cup is a team effort, Lidstrom and Datsyuk were lucky to have had teams full of stars their whole careers. Remove Thornton and Bourque from their teams and they'd have been lucky to make the playoffs (except Bourque's 1.5 years in Colorado). Despite this, Thornton has three 100 pt seasons, Datsyuk 0 and Bourque has 1579 pts, Lidstrom 1131.
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@gymguy25 Datsyuk is better than Thornton who has more stanley cups and Datsyuk is a two way forward. Thorton exept for the 2011 playoffs has not played well in the post season. Lidstrom has 7 James Norris Borque has 5. Don't know about your math but 7>5. Lidstrom has more stanley cups 4>1 and a Conn Smythe. I'm a Red Wings fan but I'm not biased I speak the truth If Borque of Thorton was better I would say it. Lidstrom has more stanley cups and Norris. Facts are facts.
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@skullmastor13 I used to think Habs fans were the most biased fans in hockey, but in the last few weeks, I heard that Pavel Datsyuk was better than Joe Thornton and that Nicklas Lidstrom was the 2nd greatest defenseman of all-time, Habs fans, I must apologize, Red Wings fans are much worse than you are!
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@windtested That's because Bourque is holding Lidstrom's and his own
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@ORRfan13 That spot is reserved for Lidstrom...sorry
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@44sox44 and YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE!!!!!



2nd best dmen ever, only behind bobby orr
ORRfan13 2 years ago 23
i don't care what anyone says...ray bourque....one of the best of all time
herdburgular 2 years ago 18