Smoking Bans Are Wrong

If you choose not to smoke that should be your choice. Not Governments. They pass laws against smoking in public under the "Proof" that second hand smoke kills. ABSOLUTELY FALSE! There is virtually no evidence that second hand smoke causes cancer, and THAT is fact.

Clip is from Penn & Tellers "Bullshit" on Showtime.

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Nonprofits & Activism

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• smoking
• ban
• antismoking
• government

[badkluster]

You can choose to smoke or not to smoke, but I can't choose to breathe or not to breathe. So go somewhere else with your little cancer tubes and fill *only your own lungs* with that shit, thank you.

[Kuba022]

@OriginalTexcalibur Yes, some EU policies are pretty silly, just like the policies of every government on this planet. Some regulations are necessary and crucial, some are pretty stupid. But we're not talking about "some EU policy". We're talking specifically about secondhand smoking.

The organizations I mentioned did their job. They investigated the subject and drew their conclusions. There are numerous peer-reviewed studies about smoking. I'd call it "plenty of research".

[OriginalTexcalibur]

@Kuba022 I agree totally on your assessment of this show, but your statement about "plenty of research" doesn't hold water when you compare it to the EU's new policies. (pun intended). Scientist themselves should be scrutinized, but I never take the word of a bureaucrat without scientists who have independently confirmed their results through peer review. Penn and Teller are just sensationalizing everything they do just to get ratings.

[Kuba022]

@OriginalTexcalibur Those organizations didn't just arbitrarily decide that seconhand smoke is bad. If you are familiar with the research, you should know that. They didn't do it "just 'cause". Their facts come from research. Plenty of research.

Penn said there isn't a single study anywhere offering conclusive proof that breathing secondhand smoke causes cancer. This is BULLSHIT. As much as I like the guy, in this video he's full of it.

[OriginalTexcalibur]

@Kuba022 Actually I have no problem with the science, and already knew it exists. I was just correcting ignorant thinking. I guess you just want to argue, because I NEVER ONCE DENIED YOUR POINT. I just denied their ignorance in where "facts" come from. Geez, people!

[Kuba022]

@OriginalTexcalibur Not enough for you? Fine, then google: "secondhand smoke bibliography". You will find an extensive list of peer-reviewed studies of various effects associated with secondhand smoking. There are tons of evidence that it's harmful. Ignoring all of that makes you, well, the ignorant.

[OriginalTexcalibur]

@Kuba022 Apparently you didn't watch the vid at all. Bureaucracies are not a place where you find sound science. Your whole list is nothing but bureaucracies. Just because a bureaucrat says something doesn't mean it's true. Didn't the EU recently require all bottled water to carry a labels declaring that water doesn't hydrate a person? Did it make it true? Science is not politics, even though most people confuse the two.

[Kuba022]

Is it a major cause of cancer? Of course not, but it is a contributing factor nonetheless. It doesn't matter how minor it is, if it harms people.

Secondhand smoke is classified as a “known human carcinogen” by the US Environmental Protection Agency, the US National Toxicology Program, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer, a branch of the World Health Organization. That is a fact.