Open Theism Re: Marks of a Possible False Convert (Tony Miano)

Jesse Morrell responds to Tony Miano's sermon on false conversion

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[eggrollmama]

At minute 2:02 , you say "God obviously predetermines some things", but by what authority do you say those are the things He has predetermined? Is there a list? Or is it more subjective to a person's own understanding of which events were predetermined? Some say that a certain event was pointless evil; others say it was predetermined. Your decision to say certain events are or are not predetermined puts YOU as authority over scripture. The open theist does not hold to the authority of scripture

[bibletheology]

@eggrollmama The Bible says that predestines some things, but it doesn't say that God predestines all things. The Calvinist adds to the Bible and twists the Bible. The Open Theist recognizes what the Bible teaches, that the future is partly open and partly settled. The fact that God does not predestine or cause all things is shown in Isaiah's description of God and His vineyard.

[PeripheralMan]

Open theism by necessity will allow prophecy to become moot.

It is a modern twist on an old heresy challenging if God is Omniscient and whether the Bible is complete and infallible.

Such challenges are from Satan.

[bibletheology]

God is willing to allow some prophecies to become void: Jeremiah 18:7-10, Jonah 3:10. That is because some prophecies are conditional prophecies. Not all prophecies are absolute. Some prophecies include an "if" element.

[bibletheology]

Open Theism teaches that God is omniscient. The future is partly open and undetermined and God, being omniscient, must of necessity know that the future is partly open and partly undetermined. God knows reality as it is. God knows the future is partly open.

[jin00009]

So it was possible for Jesus to sin, what if he did sin?

Maybe God sent His son Jesus because He already knew the future.. that Jesus would fulfill his mission.

Plz answer this Jesse

[psychoelf000]

@PeripheralMan Sir, what about that prophecies in the Bible that did not come to past? Can you list them and explain individually why those prophecies failed?

[tgz1000]

@DefendingTheTruth Everyone is really supposed to be afraid of the straw man versions of blasphemy against God that you erect so that you can burn them down. It is for this reason that I am a non-religious theist rather than a "Christian" if being a christian means being like this. Now you can feel free to condemn me of whatever you wish! I saved myself, man, just like neo in the matrix. I saved myself, and then I ascneded my throne above the stars of God!

[N2truth7]

I guess it could if the bible taught "free will".

[N2truth7]

Uhhh let's see...blaspheming God's character???

[ataru14]

Here's a question:  why is prophesy usually so vague? Could it be because God often only settles vague details and allows free will to settle the rest?

[ataru14]

...not sure what is backing your statement here...

[N2truth7]

Yep, open theism is a mark of false conversion!