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what do you do if you are faced with a private army? you dont have any way to fight organised armed forces with anarchy. at first one armed mafia group will pop up. this will trigger a development of a second and third crime group. groups will be all over the place and will battle each other. natural selection par excellence, in other words battle for resources till everything is destroyed.
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I call myself a socialist in the original sense of the word as used by the likes of William Morris in the 19th century. Who was categorical in saying, ""State"-Socialism? Not only do I not agree with it, I feel the two words contradict each other. For it is the goal of to destroy the state and put free society in its place".
Anarchism is and always has been a form of anti-statist socialism.
Although these anarchast guys can't seem to get their heads around that fact.
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@MsSexySocialist I asked as your name says you are a socialist. Its like having a banner that says "i'm a socialist", its hard for people to assume you are being objective while advertising a system of society. No offense tho, just saying it was confusing O.O
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"Taxes" wouldn't exist in an anarchist society. So the question doesn't apply.
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@MsSexySocialist No argument here. "Freedom is meaningless if not shared by all." and "My freedom ends where yours begins". Exactly.
With a few laws to back that up we would have a working society, so would I be able to (under your logic) be able to ask "don't force me to pay for someone's anti-depressants with my tax money and I won't ask you not to"? Not stating that is my opinion, or asking for a normative response.
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If you own capital and are able to use it violate another person's self-rule in a direct or systemic sense, then that violates the sovereignty of others.
My freedom ends where yours begins. So your right to utilize whatever productive property you own conflicts with my right to live in a society free of institutional subordination to an elite of owners and my right to decision-making input in all areas of my life.
Freedom is meaningless if not shared by all.
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Anarchism by it's very entomology means "no rule/rulers" (not simply "no state"). Capitalism is a system based upon "private control of the means of production" - ie: a ruling elite.
And since its origins in 19th century thought has consistently been opposed to capitalism as well as the state.
Only supporting the state's abolition is not sufficient to qualify as anarchism; if it was, then Marxists would qualify as they support statelessness as a long-term goal.
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@kwaal owning capital + individual sovereignty = opposite? I argue that owning capital is facilitated by your inherent sovereignty.
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@kwaal: Explain?
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Anarcho-Capitalism is an oxymoron.
anarcho-communism doesn't allow for anarcho-capitalism, but anarcho-capitalism does allow for annarcho-communism.
ericfontainejazz 6 months ago 14
@AshtonPhoto Totally wrong. An extreme but valid analogy is anyone who believes in freedom but has been kidnapped is like someone who believes in having a savings account at the bank but puts no money in it.
Fundamentally, you either believe individuals never have a right to initiate force (or fraud) against another person's property, life or liberty or you don't. You either believe if an individual doesn't have such a right, then neither does any group no matter what they are called or not.
LetsTryLiberty 6 months ago