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[volound]

part 8

"So basically when I read about the processes that occur in nature, I am reading about a plan and design."

but this doesnt make any sense whatsoever. i mean, do you understand where your attributes came from, the process? do you understand how every gene in your DNA is the result of a random mutation being selected by the environment?

/watch?v=ba2h9tqNYAo

its long, but i would really appreciate it if you watched it and applied it to your statements about design in nature.

[PureHumanity]

@volound

Part 8

"selected by the environment" so something is still decides and selecting things. Every gene a result of mutation? if I recall correctly, I believe my genes attributes were mostly determined by the genes from both my mother and father but its been a long time since bio lol. But yes there is always room for mutation. Can you remind me how random mutation is selected by the environment.

[volound]

part 7

if it is indeed found that we are just a bubble in an infinitely large foamy sea of universes, and that most of the universes are feckless, failed, useless wastes, it would be very difficult to fit in an omniscient creator, especially one that is supposed to be anything other than pitiless and indifferent about us and our existence.

[PureHumanity]

@volound

Part 7

hmm, for some maybe, but others could bring about a different perspective on this. for example, beauty does not become beautiful until it is compared with that which is ugly. So ugly is simply a manifester of beauty, it distinguishes beauty. Without things that are ugly, then there would be no appreciation for that which was beautiful. Just like without struggle and hardship, there would be no appreciation for or true understanding of ease.

[PureHumanity]

@volound

Part 7 (part 2)

So similarly, when the existence is looked upon as a whole, with all the universes under its scope, some might bring up this very point. that maybe in order for us to appreciate order then there has to be some type of disorder and chaos.

BUT, It could be said that the "failings" of the other universes is also a demonstration of order. How so?...

[PureHumanity]

@volound

Part7 (part 3)

How so?.... well you spoke about how things would not have formed in other universes because of having a weaker gravitational pull among other things, and besides that which I mentioned already about the laws of other universes being possibly completely different then ours, these universes would be still following a law and order. This is because the law and order of nature/science would not allow them to form any formations. So they are simply obeying the order.

[volound]

@PureHumanity "if I recall correctly, I believe my genes attributes were mostly determined by the genes from both my mother and father"

indeed, and they inherited their genes from their parents, and them from their parents, and so on for 4 billion years.

where do you think the genome of every organism came from if not from completely random, arbitrary mutations selected by the environments of their host organisms? their parents, all the way back to.... when god designed them?

:(

[PureHumanity]

@volound

Part 6

Yes, but again life is not the only proof of organization, our universe without life would still be a apparent proof of Allah.

[PureHumanity]

@volound

Part 5

Interesting, the universe, ha we have yet to even scratch the surface of what it beholds.

I don't know much about the states of other universes so I can't really comment on the topic.

But I from what I do know, from watching the show "The Universe" on the history channel lol, is that other universes most likely have a completely different set of laws then ours. So we can't make our universe's laws the criteria of other universe's laws.

[PureHumanity]

@volound

Part 4

I believe it is difficult to convey because much attention is given to the false ideas out their and the baseless beliefs that some religions come forth with which simply shut people off to either science or religion. Rarely will you find people who are moderate in their pathway of ideology. Usually the truth is in between two extremes.

[PureHumanity]

@volound

part 3

I always leave my self with an open mind, I am never going to close my mind for doing so will only be a barrier to progress. So I listen to what others have to say and I keep my mind open to the truth and reason which they present. I do not shut people off and refuse what they have to say before they ever get to saying it, that would be quite a condemned attribute by the intellect.

[PureHumanity]

@volound

Part 2

"Natural processes" would then seem to have some kind of underlying intellect behind them...