philosophyX002

a response to pat condell. In short; the myth which we commit to believe in influences how we act in the world. Either we subscribe to myths that are traditional and manifest as ritual in the world, or we subscribe to myths that we have constructed or have been constructed for us by the modern world (advertising, science, et alia). But it IS NOT POSSIBLE for us to live as humans w/o any mythology at all. Thus G.K.Chesterton's famous quotation "Those who stop believing in God start believing in anything." Pat Condell originally here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEtfdzNAE74

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[AbecedariusRex]

Except, of course, the acquisition and maintenance of POWER! and that's exactly what we see in modern politics (and in a great many places, religion)

[AbecedariusRex]

Yeah, that's what the ancients called "sophism" questioning not to find out but to make money and look important. Things don't really change much over time. The lack of curiosity thing kills me! I see, like Hopkins, that "the world is charged with the grandeur of God / it shines forth like shimmering from shook foil." Or like Simone Weil suggested, the very heart of the spiritual life is inquiry - philosophic or scientific or literary. W/o that curiosity, that wonder, what is the point...

[capoman1]

But another reason that I don't like strict philosophical arguments is because they question the nature of somewhat trivial concepts, aka naval gazing.

When those strict philosophical arguments are drawn out, SIMPLE realities can be skewed. Things that were before PLAINLY OBVIOUS, then would become seriously questionable. And to me, that can be dangerous for some, because almost ANY line of thinking can be justified with enough QUESTIONS.

[capoman1]

I have noticed MAJOR flaws in certain points from political leaders and their followers, and have seen a SERIOUS lack of curiosity and inquiry coming from their part, because they are already so satisfied with their current understandings and the METHOD of thinking that has been instilled in them along with it.

So things like carbon dating, the nature of fossils, the resemblances of dna in some species, and red phase shift, are easily discarded and discredited by these people.

[AbecedariusRex]

DUDE! All philosophy begins in wonder! and as an artist you intuitively realize that wonder begins with beauty! The AHA moment! (sorry, excited here) If you don't like philosophical mumbo jumbo - and I don't myself - read Joseph Campbell "The Power of Myth" or see the Bill Moyers series on the same. Artwork and images grant us the tangible forms we can wrap our minds around. philosophy is far too ethereal and offputting & No one was ever really persuaded by philosophy alone, IMO.

[capoman1]

So much so that at the end of an argument, you could no longer distinguish what is "real" or if your imagination was "real!" I leave these things to those that are interested in this.

My stronger interest is in what is USEFUL or applicable in real life. And my concerns wits theology and existence of a god, come from what I have seen as flawed and dangerous thinking coming religious groups.

[capoman1]

But I have been turned off by strict philosophical arguments, because they usually just lead to naval gazing. And I haven't really took any philosophy courses, or read any books that you would consider "philosophy." But I may take interest in these someday.

But many of my arguments that have been challenged by philosophers here on youtube just led me down constant alleys of questions; which I realize is what philosophy is. But did not lead to USEFUL conclusions, only more vague pondering.

[capoman1]

I was reacting to what I was hearing, thinking that your arguments of "what is belief, etc" were akin to videos that I have seen recently by users like TogetherForPeace in videos like this: watch?v=ahhSBNmDlUI

In that video he asks "what is truth?" You might as well ask "what are facts?"

I am not so much a philosopher in strict terms. I have recently become interested in theology debates here on youtube.

[AbecedariusRex]

Hope you don't mind my vid response to your Counting Crows video.

[AbecedariusRex]

After all, if we don't think at all about where we are, what we are, where we are going, aren't we missing a large portion of the life of a rational creature? "The unexamined life is not worth living" as Plato says. Consequently, us gadflies pose such questions to stir the intellectual pot on the shoulders of anyone who will listen. What is science? And why does science have precedence over philosophy, theology, and myth? And does science answer all things? Love? Hate? Beauty? Epic fail?