Non-Christian agnostic historian, Bart Ehrman, is invited on to an atheist radio show apparantly in the hope that he will argue against Jesus being an historical person. However, much to this atheist surprise and dissapointment Ehrman argues why no serious historian (including himself) denies Jesus' historicity!
@RuinSonic Thats fair enough mate.
jordan6030 3 weeks ago
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I'm agnostic for many reasons. I've realized a god is as counter intuitive to my mind now as any other crazy scientific idea you could come up with. Whatever the answer is going to be mind blowing. And that's why I can respect both sides, given they honestly are seeking reason, because I know the advantages of both sides. However, I think there's too many "brute facts" to swallow even if many of the things I believe about Christianity are explained.
RuinSonic 3 weeks ago
@RuinSonic Well I don't think atheists have a problem believing that Mohammed existed, He's a religious figure as well. It's the existence of Jesus they want to deny. Fair enough...what you said makes sense! But as an atheist - I take it that you believe jesus existed...yet you probably deny his miracles and resurrection...which is reasonable on your behalf... but at least you don't deny his historicity.
jordan6030 3 weeks ago
@jordan6030 Because it's hard to separate Jesus from the miraculous in the minds of many atheists. They also are very anti-religion and fed this idea that you need to question everything religiously related. That's my speculation. You got to understand that on you tube there is a bunch of atheists who are mad at how religion has effected their lives. I know what that is like. But kids need to grow up and realize sometimes people just disagree and see the world different.
RuinSonic 3 weeks ago
@RuinSonic Like why is it sooo hard to believe as a non-believer that Jesus existed? I don't understand. Like noone has a problem believing Julius Caesar existed. If Jesus didn't exist then why are we in the yr 2012 now?
jordan6030 3 weeks ago
@jordan6030 This makes me chuckle as a non-believer. Damn atheists who make the rest of us non-believers look bad.
RuinSonic 3 weeks ago
Rofl! An atheist being schooled about evidence! Brilliant.
iamTOTALLYredeemed 1 month ago
The host is so stupid...he's also so disappointed that a historian who is not even Christian FIRMLY believes that Jesus existed.
jordan6030 1 month ago
This question by itself is quite artificial. If Jesus was an existing person it means logically christianity is true. If Jesus was not an existing person, christianity is false. It is impossible to separate this question from these motives. Therefore I found this question more a false assertion to try to prove a religion.
snifcjo 1 month ago
@Shazoolo Of course every myth has some kind start point we can call "existing". Be it a fairy tale about princesses, sure there is evidence princessess existed. Be there a myth of God, sure it cames from persons own relations to his own father. Be it a Mother Earth, relates back to role of own mother, and so on.
In the gospels there surely are stories no-one accepts. Just follow this path: Why are they written in gospels. Take the false part away, what rests? Continue, what rests?
snifcjo 1 month ago