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[exbronco1980]

most of the media is not liberal. most of it is FOR PROFIT companies.  much of the media is not just for profit, but right wing on top of it.

[HowTheWorldWorks]

@exbronco1980

Great, next time you're going to spout Noam Chomsky's and Media Education Foundations, "The Myth of the Liberal Media," can you at least cite it.

You sound like a fool. The content matters.

[MigDanskeren]

Countries (like mine) with nationalized health care do have lower expenses but that's because they don't treat people but make them die while waiting for treatment.

It's easy to have low health care expenses when you don't treat people.

[smithbrass]

no facts , all opion.

[Darusdei]

@MigDanskeren that's strange, oh it's really not. it's because you live in a third world country, nothing exactly works...

[Houshalter]

@exbronco1980, how can it be obsolete if it's never been implemented? You don't seriously believe communism or socialism is better?

Libertarianism, lack of government, is a default position. The burden of proof is on you to prove your position is better. We're all waiting.

[exbronco1980]

@Houshalter it's bullshit that is obsolete.

[Houshalter]

@exbronco1980, anyways, I found an objective list of presidents ranked by how libertarian they were (scored by number of pro or con libertarian policies they enacted, etc.) Raegen is 21, Clinton 29, bush 36, all at least half way down the list.

Obama and the democrats are just more of the status quo. It may not be likely, but it certainly would be better if we got a libertarian president next time around. Anyways, do you have any real argument against libertarianism?

[Houshalter]

@exbronco1980, tax cuts are not libertarian, most libertarians are for uniform taxes, not tilted one way or the other. I won't deny that many of the past presidents have been libertarian, but Obama turned out to support much of the same policies as bush, who did the same as before him. It's either they don't care, or they are subject to the same political forces and special interest groups as everyone else.

[exbronco1980]

what do you call reagan saying "government is not the solution, it's the problem"? what do you call bill clinton signing welfare reform and the gramm leach bliley act? the GLB act deregulated wall street. what do you call george w. bush's huge 2001 and 2003 tax cuts? maybe we have not had a pure libertarian president, but the past 30 years has definitely had a libertarian quality to it.

[Houshalter]

@exbronco1980, "over the past 30 years in america, we've had a libertarian approach to economics." Unfortunatley not. Name one libertarian president. There hasn't been one for maybe a century, Calvin Coolidge was libertarian-ish I think. And at least their policies work in practice and in theory, the whole communist thing can't do either.

[exbronco1980]

over the past 30 years in america, we've had a libertarian approach to economics. now the middle class is the smallest it's been in 30 years and it's shrinking. the whole libertarian thing has failed, whether some care to admit it or not.

[exbronco1980]

yes, all media- tv, websites, books, magazines and newspapers are owned by the state and hence leftwing. all media, that is, except fox news and the wall street journal and you. that's why no newspapers in 2000 and 04 endorsed george w. bush. that's why right wingers never come out with books. u sure like denying reality.