Schoenberg: Variations for Orchestra Op 31 (1934) - Pierre Boulez and the CSO (Part 1)

Pierre Boulez and the Chicago Symphony Orchestra performing Schoenberg's Variations for Orchestra Op 31. Part 1 of 2.

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• schoenberg
• atonal
• nontonal
• pantonal
• variations
• boulez
• chicago
• symphony
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• avant
• garde
• classical

[TheBlackPage1]

Beautiful piece, and certainly one of Schoenberg's finest. Very-well conducted by Boulez, too.

[annaohmaahpa]

Catchy tune and snappy rhythm. Makes me just want to hum its twelve- tone row for the rest of the day, including its inversion, retrograde, and retrograde inversion.

[astrosoundvids]

I love this piece, by the way. Schoenberg did not yet use the 12-tone system to avoid the question of harmony and the different "feel" of the musical intervals alltogether.

[astrosoundvids]

Hello Fisarmonica, atonal does not only mean the lack of a tonal center. Another feature of atonal music is the equal treatment of dissonants and consonants, what has been called "the emancipation of the dissonant". I do not agree with you that gregorian chant does not have a tonal center. The distinct character of a gregorian chant depends on the musical mode and you wouldn't be able to distinguish between these modes without a tonal center.

[fisarmonicista]

@daudert Now,what I was trying to point here, is that basing on the definition for atonal, which is the lack of tonal center, and taking out controversies between musicologists you can catalogue even gregorian chants in there, considering that pre-tonality hasn't a well defined tonal center yet.That’s what I know about that (or what I think I know, about that) and I can’t really go deep into the subject yet. I hope you point me in what you think I’m wrong, so I can get some knowledge about this.

[fisarmonicista]

@daudert Debussy may not be considered atonal by some musicologists, but he was a pioneer for atonal music, in most of his works he even used harmonies with not harmonic meaning, used just to give certain effects or colors, you can see a lot of that in the preludes. Every Scriabin’s work since op. 58 is atonal. I may be wrong about Ravel, but it is important to say that he was more into modal music, so he was not completely tonal.

[daudert]

@fisarmonicista I would be very interested in you pointing me to an atonal piece by any of those three composers, as I have not heard any by them...

as for Gregorian chant, that is definitely /not/ atonal. It is pre-tonal.

[marcelomelloweb]

Great work! This video is featured in my History of Music playlist , of the Choir Conducting Secondary Technical School , at Ourinhos (SP, Brazil) . Reference: Roy Bennett, History of Music (Cambridge Assignments in Music). ---

Excelente trabalho! Este vídeo faz parte de minha lista de reprodução de vídeos da disciplina História da Música III, do curso de Regência da ETEC de Ourinhos (Centro Paula Souza. A lista está baseada no livro de Roy Bennett, Uma Breve História da Música.

[fisarmonicista]

@Tripo1iSamson I don't think that peopple who like Debussy, or Scriabin, or Ravel, or even gregorian chants are pretentious fucks, and all of those are atonal music.

[fisarmonicista]

@danielmondana Beethoven's 9th is what? I was talking about Bruckner, or how the hell you know I meant Beethoven and not Bruckner if I did not make any Beethoven's reference?

[danielmondana]

@fisarmonicista It's Beethoven's 9th, you ignorant.

[danielmondana]

@Tripo1iSamson Very right.