Does the Bible teach that God predestines men because He "sees what they will do down the corridors of time"? Does it teach that God elects men based upon their merit? According to the Bible:
Fo...
Does the Bible teach that God predestines men because He "sees what they will do down the corridors of time"? Does it teach that God elects men based upon their merit? According to the Bible:
For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calls;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (Rom 9:9-13)
"So that God's purpose according to..." what? The Bible states that God, before either children had done anything good or bad, had chosen Jacob that God's purpose of election might stand. If it's true that God chose Jacob not according to his works as the Bible plainly teaches, does that not mean that his election was unconditional? Of course, hence "unconditional election".
Hear James White explain this in this sermon.
Here are three other books that will help you with the concept of unconditional election/predestination:
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Guys, see if you agree with the "Plank of Wood" section of my blog, as well as my recent post on Calvinism. If so, we all have a basic agreement, but maybe we struggle with our definitions (I hope it is only this! :-) ).
Calvinism, properly, is defined as the acceptance of the basic theology represented by Calvin; which was defined by the judgements of the Synod of Dort(e.g., TULIP).
This is like asking someone why they call themselves American, if they don't like hot dogs or football (i.e., More than those things distinguishes our Country).
WHOA!...You are making a gratuitous assumption here...
In your favor: 1. Reformation theology often carries a real sacramental tradition baggage. 2. Some Calvinists are bound on that "lock stock and barrel...gospel truth" view of reformed theology. 3. There is alot of unregenerate church membership and compromise that can result from such a system. 4. Presbyterian church has mostly been taken by liberals.
Right on. We urge all men to submit to the repentance commanded in the Gospel, and to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. And we promise grace and mercy to those who will come, because of all those who have come, he has never cast one out. But we know that this grace is only offered to those who REPENT and BELIEVE, and we know that back of this is God's sovereign will, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and compassion on whom I will have compassion."
I don't get the background of this interchange, so I hate to comment much; but are you calling Lane, "...Like one of these borderline religionsts...one foot in sadducees calvinism and the other foot in apostate baptist"?
And are you calling Calvinism a "system of man's unreasonable half cooked theology"?
Or am I missing something (i.e., is there more to the story)?
The only reason I let this last comment through is so people can see first hand how truly pathetic you are. Thanks for giving everyone insight to your opinions to other views yet not giving any substinative arguments for your reasons. I would like to see you and an Arminian debate. Well, actually, scratch that. It would be painful.
lol, I just checked through your videos because I've never done that before because they're unappealing and it seems that you have several Calvinistic videos posted from people who are Calvinists themselves. So much for consistency, eh?
You probably should have said "...How pejorative your responses have become" instead of "...How truly pathetic you are".
I appreciate your ministry and I know that you are typically very patient (especially if anyone is honest in their arguments)in your responses, and I also realize that you were somewhat provoked here, but I believe that in this part of your reply you slipped and made a comment that was not necessary (too harsh wording).
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This is like asking someone why they call themselves American, if they don't like hot dogs or football (i.e., More than those things distinguishes our Country).
In your favor:
1. Reformation theology often carries a real sacramental tradition baggage.
2. Some Calvinists are bound on that "lock stock and barrel...gospel truth" view of reformed theology.
3. There is alot of unregenerate church membership and compromise that can result from such a system.
4. Presbyterian church has mostly been taken by liberals.
Cons:
1. Not all Calvinists are what you claim.
2. Assuming this of Lane
And are you calling Calvinism a "system of man's unreasonable half cooked theology"?
Or am I missing something (i.e., is there more to the story)?
I appreciate your ministry and I know that you are typically very patient (especially if anyone is honest in their arguments)in your responses, and I also realize that you were somewhat provoked here, but I believe that in this part of your reply you slipped and made a comment that was not necessary (too harsh wording).
Take Care brother & good luck at law school! : )