What is the new Atheist Movement Message

Tim Keller and William Craig

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[DeimosSaturn]

William L Craig says that he disagrees that atheists are intellectuals. Yet again, facts and reality mean nothing to WLC. Atheists on average score a higher IQ than theists. Atheists on average score higher on quizes about religion than religious people. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Scientists are in fact atheists. Sure, there might be some out spoken christian scientists, but they are the minority.

[JP12akacoil]

@DeimosSaturn You misquoted William Lane Craig. To say a group, say for example nihilist are "intellectuals" is a broad, subjective and quite elementary statement. I regards your claims on IQ scores and scientist, even if they are true, what do they have to do with the arguments presented by "New Atheist" such as Dawkins, Hitchens, Denitt, and Harris, such as religion being the root of all evil?

[EmmittBrownBTTF1]

WLC: Leading troll, when he criticizes .the intelligence of atheist philosophers and writers he doing little more than parroting criticisms leveled at apologists. the difference is by atheists, the difference is the atheists can demonstrate the claim without quote mining.

Yes the "new atheists" posit that respect for religion bad. They also say we should respect the people. As Dawkins quoted ""I respect you too much as a humanbeing to respect your stupid ideas"

[julzabro]

Religion IS toxic and the aim is not to wipe it out but to get people to FREELY think for themselves! IF, DOING THAT, eliminates religion....then so be it!

[julzabro]

The only thing "new" about atheism is that we're actually SPEAKING OUT! Any CREDIBLE Atheists, INCLUDING the books mentioned, do NOT say nor act upon the premise that

disrespecting Theists is a good idea. What they and many Atheists DO SAY is that religion and IT'S MESSAGE OUGHT TO BE disrespected and thrown out as it IS IMMORAL!

[julzabro]

What would a believer in an unproven, nonexistent skydaddy know about intellect?

[Gnomefro]

@JP12akacoil In the end, what is important is if religions are true, and that should come down to reason and evidence, not faith. People should know what the consequences of blowing other people up are, not merely accept that such actions are going to send them to heaven because some desert monkey wrote it.

Yet all major religions will defend that faith is a virtue, even though it can perfectly well be used in the manner above.

[Gnomefro]

@JP12akacoil That is, the new atheists all oppose the idea that faith can be a virtue. That, by far, is the main message of the new atheists. Not that religion is the root of all evil. It just happens to be a very great evil, and a tool capable of justifying any action. Will God reward you infinitely for blowing up the infidels? No problem - Justified. Will he punish you with hell for not doing it? No problem - Justified.

[Gnomefro]

@JP12akacoil "what do they have to do with the arguments presented by "New Atheist" such as Dawkins, Hitchens, Denitt, and Harris, such as religion being the root of all evil? "

I love how you complain about misquoting when you forward such blatant lies.

None of those authors have ever made that statement. What they have said is that religion is a source of much *completely unnecessary* "evil" caused by people being deluded. They all appeal to reason and evidence to counter this.

[blackadm]

WLC- King of Straw.