Chechen female zikr : opening

Chechen ladies from Pankisi Valley performing Sufi zikr ritual , singing message of love to God and other people, and asking for peace in Caucasus.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/nygus/sets/72157622876756240/with/4119703135/

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• dhikr
• chechen
• islam
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• women
• female
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• ritual
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• music

[ImAmeenLondon]

@unseenocean . interesting explanation :)

[unseenocean]

@GandhiBeatz Bid'ah three main types...1) To replace sunnah method with method which has NO BASIS or CONTRADICTS sunnah method. 2) To claim some action has reward without basis. 3) To change status of an action, e.g. you do dhikr in a certain way and you say that its obligatory for all people when it is not. These women become mubtadi' if they say others MUST FOLLOW what they do. Someone needs evidence to prove how they contradict the sunnah method generally commanded. Or to prove they do haram

[unseenocean]

@GandhiBeatz You know Nabi (saw) gave some commands..and sahaabah implemented them in different ways and Nabi (saw) allowed them both? You know SUNNAH is not just actions of Nabi (saw) but also HIS SPEECH and CONSENT. This means his speech in its general meaning can allow us to do actions HE (SAW) did not do but APPROVED OF VERBALLY. If someone sings song, being a believer & intending to please Allah, its not bid'ah as long as it does not CONTRADICT sunnah in words or do haram acts

[unseenocean]

@GandhiBeatz I have owned that book for ages. Dhikr is by tongue, actions and heart. If you are grateful to Allah it is dhikr, if you pray it is dhikr, if you say subhaan Allah it is dhikr...dhikr is i'baadah. If you are believer, have intention to please Allah and don't CONTRADICT SUNNAH it is i'baadah. Doing some action which Nabi (saw) did not do SPECIFICALLY is not bid'ah! Because two varied actions bot can be approved by sunnah.

[GandhiBeatz]

@unseenocean I could know those things if you would write them in English, I'm not so good in arabic. I'm currently reading book "Jami' al-'Uloom wal-Hikam fi Sharh khamsina Hadithan min Jawami al-Kalim" of Ibn Rajab al Hanbali, and it's commentary of hadith, I wish you can read his commentary of hadith "whoever innovates something in faith, it will be rejected". Singing nasheed is not loud dhikr in a group! It's singing some poem about Islam, and it's not prohibited..and it's not some ritual.

[salman6410]

ZADDI BID KOMPANI YU  H1AR!!!!!))))

[unseenocean]

@GandhiBeatz you are saying there is nothing wrong with singing anasheed but that is exactly loud dhikr in a group! You see how your wrong understanding brings up lots of contradictions in your position? There are no contradictions in Islam. Follow the daleels and when they are general leave them as they are, don't try to invent conditions etc due to your taqleed of other people. You learned this wrong opinion from other people you didn't do ijtihad yourself on it.

[unseenocean]

@GandhiBeatz see, you are following mind control of taaghoot about takfeer, this is what all the mushriks and murtads say today. Do you know the meaning of kufr bi-taaghoot? You know you have to reject taaghoot to be Muslim? You know that was the da'wah of all the anbiyaa? Did you know you should fear being a kaafir and mushrik more than fearing making takfeer. Do you know takfeer is a hukm of Islam and part of walaa' and baraa'? You don't know these things I expect

[unseenocean]

@GandhiBeatz You don't understand Islam the way sahaabah did at all though. You keep on going about things that are zanni when there are things that are qata'ee which you don't know. Sahaabah were deciated to tawheed, iman billah wa kufr bi-taaghoot, but you are more interested in telling soofees not to sing, it shows you have little understanding of Islam, the world is full of kufr and you are talking about these issues & getting it wrong too.

[unseenocean]

@GandhiBeatz Yes, you know the circumstances of this hadeeth? It was in a jihad expedition &so the loudness perhaps contradicted surprise attack, however we know from many other daleels dhikr does not have to be silent, refer to hadeeth of Ibn A'bbas in BUKHARI, ABU DAWOOD etc...about how they knew salah had ended &what about hadeeth of Khalid bin as Sai'b from his father that Nabi (saw) said "Jibreel came to order me to order my companions...to raise the voice in talbiya" (MALIK)