@Danzakisan Not a good argument. Shiina is a 7th Dan, Yahara is a 9th Dan and both are practically full-time employees of the JKA. How does the average Shotokan Shodan stack up in a self defense scenario?
Those of you who think Shotokan stylists can't defend themselves really need to get on the mat with one of them, say Mikio Yahara for example. Then let us know how that went for you.
i just came accidentally stumbled on the ongoing argument. for my 2 cents worth, i think karasublue makes much more sense to me. iekuktaka, if i also use your same logic then you are very wrong yourself. karate is not okinawan, it's chinese. go to china to really learn the real karate. it's a slippery slope argument, man. you can go to china and start bitching and say that it's not chinese but hey - it's indian! and then you go to india and....hehe. :)
It doesn't matter if it's Okinawa, or Hawaii, Karate organisations become politcal because of one thing, ego. JKA is Karate, JKS is Karate, KWF is Karate. It depends where you are and who your teacher is. Okinawan Gojyuryu is Karate. You have to search, some teach sport, and some teach real Budo, It's what ever you want. If your reasonably intelligent you'll work it out for yourself. Don't dignify arrogant cocks like iekukataka as I've just done. What a dick.
@IEKUKATAKA I've trained with some brilliant Japan-trained Karateka, (shotokan,) who'd knock you the hell out. I guarantee that. I'm annoyed by your reverse-racist propaganda. You obviously have a hate problem, which goes against the spirit of Karate, and Higaonna Sensei would not agree with anything you have to say, nor the forum for which you're saying it. You are obviously some opinionated gaijin. Try stop being an arrogant, tryhard, knob, and if you can't post your own virtues on youtube, s
@Yamtendo Accept that delusion and deceit has occured largely at the hands of the JKA and the west and move on. Yep, you may have to face not having a black belt, which is another story. Your knowledge of the truth will arm you for a far better, richer experience. A belt has never defended anyone but good solid training has and it is not in the JKA, they practice a sport with some corrupted karate techniques in it. Do yourself a favor, turn away and turn to a simple truth, karate is Okinawan.
@Yamtendo I do not wish to be oppressive in this regard, but, finding the truth in karate came from Japan, they have to have a mystical element in everythiong they do, read Gorin no sho. The truth in karate is simple, it is an Okinawan martial art. OTHERS have corrupted that simple fact to the degree that all of this BS, Budo nonsense has become thought to be integral. IT ISN'T! If you want to know of karate, find a certifiable Okinawan karate lineage teacher like Morio Higaonna and no other. 2
@IEKUKATAKA That makes sense. But I believe everyone must at some point find the truth in Karate for themselves. Organizations often convince people they're learning the truth when they're in actuality simply participating in a sport. I like your thoughts on this! :)
@Danzakisan Not a good argument. Shiina is a 7th Dan, Yahara is a 9th Dan and both are practically full-time employees of the JKA. How does the average Shotokan Shodan stack up in a self defense scenario?
Kyoshi71 2 weeks ago
Those of you who think Shotokan stylists can't defend themselves really need to get on the mat with one of them, say Mikio Yahara for example. Then let us know how that went for you.
Danzakisan 3 weeks ago
Very nice kata :)
MultiZON123 2 months ago
i just came accidentally stumbled on the ongoing argument. for my 2 cents worth, i think karasublue makes much more sense to me. iekuktaka, if i also use your same logic then you are very wrong yourself. karate is not okinawan, it's chinese. go to china to really learn the real karate. it's a slippery slope argument, man. you can go to china and start bitching and say that it's not chinese but hey - it's indian! and then you go to india and....hehe. :)
ratchadapalazzo 2 months ago
It doesn't matter if it's Okinawa, or Hawaii, Karate organisations become politcal because of one thing, ego. JKA is Karate, JKS is Karate, KWF is Karate. It depends where you are and who your teacher is. Okinawan Gojyuryu is Karate. You have to search, some teach sport, and some teach real Budo, It's what ever you want. If your reasonably intelligent you'll work it out for yourself. Don't dignify arrogant cocks like iekukataka as I've just done. What a dick.
karasublue 4 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA I've trained with some brilliant Japan-trained Karateka, (shotokan,) who'd knock you the hell out. I guarantee that. I'm annoyed by your reverse-racist propaganda. You obviously have a hate problem, which goes against the spirit of Karate, and Higaonna Sensei would not agree with anything you have to say, nor the forum for which you're saying it. You are obviously some opinionated gaijin. Try stop being an arrogant, tryhard, knob, and if you can't post your own virtues on youtube, s
karasublue 4 months ago
@Yamtendo Accept that delusion and deceit has occured largely at the hands of the JKA and the west and move on. Yep, you may have to face not having a black belt, which is another story. Your knowledge of the truth will arm you for a far better, richer experience. A belt has never defended anyone but good solid training has and it is not in the JKA, they practice a sport with some corrupted karate techniques in it. Do yourself a favor, turn away and turn to a simple truth, karate is Okinawan.
IEKUKATAKA 4 months ago
@Yamtendo I do not wish to be oppressive in this regard, but, finding the truth in karate came from Japan, they have to have a mystical element in everythiong they do, read Gorin no sho. The truth in karate is simple, it is an Okinawan martial art. OTHERS have corrupted that simple fact to the degree that all of this BS, Budo nonsense has become thought to be integral. IT ISN'T! If you want to know of karate, find a certifiable Okinawan karate lineage teacher like Morio Higaonna and no other. 2
IEKUKATAKA 4 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA That makes sense. But I believe everyone must at some point find the truth in Karate for themselves. Organizations often convince people they're learning the truth when they're in actuality simply participating in a sport. I like your thoughts on this! :)
Yamtendo 4 months ago
@olev456 You will get over it in time.
IEKUKATAKA 5 months ago