Law School Carol: Epilogue

A final word of warning to anyone considering law school

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[Tokopol]

If you graduated from a bottom tier commode, spare us with your whining. There's a large scale scamming of law students going on beneath the top 30, but I don't feel sorry for anyone who didn't grasp the fallacy of schools charging exactly the same as Harvard but allowing 140-150 LSATs in.

One of these days, the ABA will finally make a rule that anybody with less than 162 on their LSATs doesn't belong in law. The deceit will end, money will be saved, and 90% of TTTs will vanish.

[esqnever]

@Tokopol ...and no one is requesting your sympathy. Nevertheless, as you concede, there is a scam going on. Whether the dupes are sympathetic or not is irrelevant. Such a corrupt system should be shut down. Furthermore, this video is aimed at discouraging potential law students from falling for this trap. The ABA and co. won't voluntary shut down the gravy train for the LS cartel. Probably nothing short of cutting off public loans will end the scam.

[popsagacity]

The only problem I have with this video is the assumption that law school is wrong for everyone. It is a fact that some students do perform well in law school, and do land great six-figure starting salaries upon graduation. Also, not everyone goes into debt to afford law school. State law schools can be very affordable. In short, tell the whole story.

[esqnever]

@popsagacity Well, I did say that the best students/those from the best schools will get the top jobs. However, doing "well" is relative. Many T2 and lower T1 schools are hard to get into, but usually anything less than top 10% means a rough road ahead - with the rest of the 90% being in trouble. If I'm overly cautious (and I don't think I am), it's because the law school marketing materials are absurdly optimistic.

[EsqDave]

Come on, now - this goes a little far. I agree there's too many lawyers and it's certainly no golden ticket, but it sounds like someone is a little bitter who didn't realize that the work only starts when you get the Esq.

[esqnever]

I disagree. Fellow blogger, Angel the Lawyer recently profiled a number of attorney jobs. It isn't pretty.

Google JD Underground and Tom the Temp if you think this is one man's opinion.

I see from your profile, you're in your 40's Assuming you went to law school in your 20's, things have changed a lot, my friend.

[AMattDavidFilm]

I think this video is spot on. The ABA is going to have to address this issue very soon, or there's going to be a major market correction.

[2007Lawyer]

An ABSOLUTELY amazingly true story! I graduated in 2007 from a bottom tier law school, couldn't find a job right away, so I jumped on a doc review job until I found something permanent (or.. what I thought was permanent)... I've been out of work for OVER a year and it's killing me! Had I been smart, I would've done something else with my life!

[Tokopol]

@esqnever More than concede it, I firmly believe it and think it's destroying the profession. The level of screwing going on beneath the top 30-50 has taken on the character of a pyramid scheme, which means the eventual conclusion (they're bound to run out of dupes) may be extremely messy.

The problem I have with some scam bloggers is that they resemble people who went nuts on payday loans, got inevitably screwed, and are going after all lending in general instead of just the malignant lending

[longlivethe80s]

oh man....I am debating going to law school or business school

[dispelll]

A touch overstated, but I can't disagree. Don't use law school as a get rich quick scheme; you will be really disapointed. If you don't get into a T1 school or at least the best school in your state, then you should seriously reconsider going. Night school is good option for some, like an engineer hoping to go into patent law. Lower debt + not losing out on the years of field experience, but no weekends. Being a rich & powerful litigator requires more than just a JD. Good luck.

[davemonatron]

'07 Grad. I made more money before graduating undergrad than I do now. I worked 60+hours per week saving my company hundreds of thousands of dollars in outside counsel fees alone. Downsized a month after being promised our department would be spared for at least another 12 months.

Every brochure and every law school report of income, job placement, ability to gain employment is a distortion of facts at best, but more realistically nothing short of fraud.

[MagMile352]

@popsagacity Ummm... If you go to a decent state school like the University of Illinois, not only will you be located in the middle of a cornfield, but you will also pay almost $40K a year in tuition. Also, most of the "lucky few" who land the 6 figure jobs are pretty miserable in those jobs....