Room 105: Civilization

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http://www.youtube.com/group/IshTube
There you can kind of see where this is all headed. Take Care.

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• Civilization
• Tribal
• Societies
• Daniel Quinn
• Ishmael
• Beyond Civilization

[gabi83tm]

What about technology ? Can you have hi-tech without civilization ? Neo-Luddism sucks.

[AdamHintz]

Technology exists outside of civilization. All tools are a form of technology. "Hi-tech" is something unique to our culture. If someone wants to bring this beyond civilization then the burden is on them to figure out how.

[bflanger]

What's the meaning behind "Room 105". Why not "room 104" or "room 106"?

[AdamHintz]

I'm glad you asked that. Room 105 is where Ishmael taught his students in the Ishmael trilogy. Both the video series and fictional room are places where saving the world is discussed.

[dnHooligan]

Believing the "money delusion"

Wasn't it 12k? I thought it began aboot 10k BC.

[AdamHintz]

You're right. I should've known that. I'm always living in the past. :P I guess I got the whole BC thing confused with the actual years in the past.

[UnifyingField]

great playlist and cool idea room 105 ;) I think it's very important to understand the definition of the words we use, crucial when trying to communicate with others, share ideas and understand the world around us. Keep up the great work Adam

John

[UnifyingField]

is it fair to say that civilization is hierarchical and totalitarian? and the opposite would be tribalism, which has a more of an "equal way of living" where the structure is a circle instead of a pyramid and the community is not controlled or forced to live the same way/one way.

Civilization - "globalization"

Tribilism - groups that have the potential of forming communities all over the world

[huffdaddy76]

Or, to put it another way, some forms of cultural madness are more life-enhancing and sustainable than others.

[huffdaddy76]

These are all attempts to deny creatureliness and assert a culturally informed symbolic identity-a symbolic self that transcends the body and nature. Anthropologist Ernest Becker talks about this in The Denial of Death and Escape from Evil. It all amounts to a kind of madness, but some forms of madness are more destructive than others, as both Becker and Quinn say in different ways.

[huffdaddy76]

Thanks! I think people are uneasy about the body not because they're pathological, but because the body reminds us of our fate as creatures-that we ARE creatures-and that we're in for death and decay. So people in all places at all times modify the body to make it other than what they know it to be naturally (and therefore less shameful), leaving the mark of culture through circumcision, scarification, footbinding, neck-elongation, tattoos, piercings, clothing, etc.

[mikezephyr]

solid explanation. it's seriously pathological to hate one's body so it must be that much worse when an entire culture hates their body which is the earth. the idea of "transcending" nature suggest that nature is firstly alien and hostile and secondly a thing to be conquered.

[gabi83tm]

At last, someone who's making some sense. There is a lot of dogmatic neo-Luddism around there. I think the way to bring hi-tech beyond civilization is having some sort of tribal cooperation, like tribes of tribes or something. Because it's clear that 150 people just can't make a laptop from scratch. So, in addition to Erratic Retaliator, we need to have some cooperation game. It seems to me that there are many people who won't step beyond civilization unless they can take their laptops with them