Theist Vs Atheist Debate: "Does God Not Exist?" (Part 1/3)

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January 5th, 2003 at Islamic Institute of New York.

First Edition

Tawheed Institute

http://www.tawheed1.org


Read the transcript at http://www.madressa.org

Length: 2 hours 45 minutes

A historic debate between Hassanain Rajabali [Muslim] and Dan Barker [Atheist].

Moderated by Mohamed Athar Lila.

This is a series of events organized by the Tawheed Institute after the September 11 crisis with the aim to foster better understanding between people of different denominations.

Some Quotes:

"Another argument, against the existence of god of course, is the problem of evil: All you have to do is walk into any children's hospital - and you know there is no god. Children are in pain, they are suffering, their parents are desperately praying for god to protect them." - Dan Barker

"We're relative creatures, and that is how we understand things, and we can never have a conception of something that is bad, until we understand what is good. That reality, that co-existence is necessary in this world. If one wants to say that evil should not exist then the earth should not exist. You and I should not exist, trial should not exist, and exam should not exist. Rather we are in a system where we understand that evil is there." - Hassanain Rajabali

"Yes, I am under trial, if I could have stopped September 11, I would have but "God is not under trial." So it is irrelevent to for Him."
- Hassanain Rajabali

"No matter what they [the Atheists] thought of Hassanain's arguments, they all agree that he was pleasant and articulate. He shows a good face of Islam." -Dan Barker, after the debate

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[HenkjanSmit3]

Atheists don't have to come up with arguments that god doesn't exist, religious people should come up with arguments why he DOES. They can't come up with any valid arguments, therefore there is no reason to believe he exists. (the ones that claim something exists have to prove that it does, not the other way around)

All theists do is tell stories like the bible does to "prove" god exists..

Yes, the bible teaches everyone values, and that's a good thing, but you should NOT take it literally..

[truebeliever786]

16:28 - 16:54 - I wonder if that whole thing was planned LOL.....

[carinagillon]

I am so sorry that you ppl need something to make you act kind. Kindness is in my nature and not in a book...

[carinagillon]

LOOK around you if there were a God of all the power the bible claims why WHY would he allow all this pain? Answer so generic ( Faith, free will, BS) there is NO GOD PERIOD but the alternative scares you people we just DIE and that's the end

[ItsSoMe2011]

Don't confuse the term 'religious' to 'living a pure life'. These are two different things. Many people consider the word 'religion', and associate it with 'war and hatred'. These 'religions' are false. Any religion that doesn't accept Jesus as their Saviour, is a false religion. Please, understand, the devil has made up different false religions to confuse people away from the true one - following the word of God (Holy Bible). Jesus is the ONLY way to our salvation. The ONLY way!!!

[ItsSoMe2011]

...are following Jesus' ways, they are at 'peace'. We need to understand, if we are choosing this world over Jesus, people are in danger of hell. This earth is temporary, but hell is eternal. God will not force us to make a decision, but He will call you! We need to make a choice, through our 'free will'. We need to understand, how important it is to follow Jesus. If the world all followed Him, this world would be heaven on earth!!!

[ItsSoMe2011]

The good news? There is still a chance to turn to Jesus whilst you are still living on this earth!!! This world is so full of rage, unkindness, unforgivenness, sexual immorality, hate, pride, lovers of money and themselves, murderers, theives, adulterous, envy, jealousy, etc...tell me, where is the freedom in that? This isn't freedom. The ways of Jesus and what He teaches us to be: kind, loving, forgiveness, patience, endurance, dilegance, understanding, joyful, etc...and so when people..

[ItsSoMe2011]

@lukekennedy1001 Life of the world isn't freedom, it is the exact opposite. This world has brainwashed many people into believing it is the 'good and free way' of living life. IT ISN'T! It's evil in it's ways, and yet people seem to be spiritually blinded. The conditioning of this world is absolutely disgusting. The Illuminanti and the New World Order are planning this deceit, and take orders from the devil to turn this world into a nightmare. People need Jesus, He is the pure way, the light.

[lukekennedy1001]

@ItsSoMe2011 What source did you get that from exactly? The pure reason you believe it is because religion has it drilled in your mind to have a 'leader'. You are afraid of being free in life, trusting Gods instincts rather than your own. Trusting a made up figure (In case you havnt noticed god is a word that is a human invention) instead of chances and the delicate beautiful balance of nature of this universe. Religion i not needed, it gives more oppurtunity to create arguments.

[viilips]

theists didnt make an ipad. you christians love your ipad, right?

[TheFazproductions]

@HenkjanSmit3

well that's exactly what "religious people" are doing..I don't get it were you listening to both sides of the arguments or one of you ears are deaf?

[ItsSoMe2011]

Are you happy in the world? Do you feel the world is pure and holy? Do you find peace in the world? If there are people looking for the 'light', then turn to Jesus! He will deliver you from evil, and you will walk in light with Him! He is our Saviour, who sacrificed Himself for our sins, so we are able to have a chance here on earth. Good news? We all have a chance on earth to change! Follow Christ, He will take you out of the evil ways of the world, and you will be set free! AMEN!