Re: Information, Reality, Existence

a video-response for DDemonique and Kalin666.

the discussion started with DDemoniques video ``The 3 Dogmas of Materialism´´
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sqYih6_kgQ

then kalin666 responded with ``Dil Please!´´
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2jc5Wlw9Hc

and now i am responding to the whole discussion, or more specifically to ddemoniques response to kalin666's video, called ``Response to Kalin666: illusions and abstractions´´
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IylYvCwATN0


i mentioned the following youtubers, check out their profiles and subscribe if you want:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ddemonique
http://www.youtube.com/user/rozeboosje
http://www.youtube.com/user/kalin666

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[kingbarneyoflondon]

Wouldnt the song be remembered by whoever listened to it b4 it was deleted it ?

[kurtilein3]

probarbly, but some people vaguely remembering the song doesnt make it possible to restore it in mp3-quality.

[joesub007]

Information is only useful to an organism which because of evolution is more complex in its neurology and is able to interpret, use and create information. Further, because of entropy, energy tends to dissipate to the lowest level state which means that complexity such as intelligent people are always going to be struggling against the majority of morons that tend toward less complexity and therefore less intelligence because they're going along with the entropy of the universe.

[kurtilein3]

joesub007: those text comments dont allow to really discuss your arguments, but your argument using enthropy is completely bogus. it only applies to closed systems. i eat, so i may think. if someone stops eating, he will stop thinking some time later. sorry, but all you say about enthropy only applies to closed systems. so, if you pull the plug on your computer, expect it to freeze down. all further conclusions would be fallacious.

[ContraWagner]

kurtilein3, very informative and thoughtful through out.

I still struggle with what this "information" is. I am also a materialist as you are, but you said that information is immaterial. If information is immaterial, are we still materialists?

[kurtilein3]

do words exist? what are they made of?

if you answer ``yes´´ and then ``i dont know´´, well... thats it. or what are ideas made of? information theory and memetics solve all those riddles that constantly confuse the minds of materialists ^^

you should watch a daniel dennett-clip on the subject, you will like it: watch?v=KzGjEkp772s

[tomdschneider]

To get less vague about what 'information' is, see the link on my youtube web page that leads to a paper on how information evolves.

[tomdschneider]

Information ALWAYS has a physical basis. Look for it in paper, brains etc. This was the one thing Landauer got right. Any example you give will have a substrate for the information. So there is no problem with 'materialism'. If I lost the key to the encoded files but you didn't, is the information lost? This shows that it is not 'out there' but always associated with some physical object - you or me.

[tomdschneider]

No, the form dS >= dQ/T can be applied

to any systems. See my web site, the edmm

paper.

[ContraWagner]

I absolutely love Dennett. I've watched that video before.

Information plagues my mind! How ironic is that? haha