Ayn Rand explains the Non-Aggression Principle
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Without the non-aggression principle, a society will fall apart, there are no exceptions.
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@tonyfalca Does that make sense..?
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@KyleSkullz I missed this comment of yours, whoops. I'm not sure what I'm getting at, I guess it's that law distorts the concept of ownership, or what does ownership really mean? To own something under law, you need a permit, a title or whatever. Just because the Native Americans had exclusive human control of what's now NA, and basically owned such land, then were conquered and virtually stripped of their 'ownership' -- who really owns that land? I'd say neither, nature does.
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@KyleSkullz No, but it doesn't need to be spoken of, written about, or even labeled to be conceptualized; it's beyond conception, it just is... My body is subject to physical laws, would you say those physical laws own my body?
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So, again...
I cannot attain exclusive control of your mind and body, I can only influence it through external forces like persuasion and coercion. It is yours, and only yours, by nature, until death. Do you reject this?
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ALL concepts are a result of the reasoning mind, and therefore are man-made, however, in order to separate good concepts (i.e. mathematics) from bad concepts (i.e. numerology) there must be an objective standard of truth to test for consistency with the real world, which can only be found in nature, not the subjective opinions of man.
With regards to the concept of ownership, the foundational principle is the self. Your mind and body are exclusively yours, by nature, until death.
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@tonyfalca It seems to me like what you've mentioned above would have been something taken for granted -- without any need for communication -- until political order or what have you was introduced.
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@KyleSkullz So, what you're saying is that the concept of ownership arose from spontaneous order rather than political order? I'm not too sure about that.
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Ownership, most fundamentally, starts with the Self and is a consequence of Natural Laws, not Positive/man-made Laws.
I cannot attain exclusive control over your mind and body, I can only influence it through external forces such as, persuasion or coercion. It is yours and only yours, by nature, until death.
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Beautiful quote, thanks you!
"Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it."
- excerpt from “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand.
iannetta11 1 month ago 6
Interesting back and forth, fellas. It's refreshing to see healthy minds on Youtube.
GabrielXXIst 1 month ago