WOF Survey Trends In US Religion

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[BrentGrainger2000]

Wrd: Sorry. Your answer makes no sense to me. If this poor HUMBLE scientist wants his discoveries to be known, with as limited value as they have, wouldn't your all-perfect god, if it existed, make sure that it used EFFECTIVE means to disseminate the "truth" of its "triune-ness." Only after intense study of comparative religion did I become atheist. That study convinced me that religions, and gods, are CREATIONS of PEOPLE, for good or ill--just as NATURAL as the drives for sex and knowledge.

[wordonfirevideo]

@BrentGrainger2000 So now you know how God "should" act! Take a good look at chapters 38-40 of the book of Job and then tell me that we lowly human beings have the foggiest notion of how God is supposed to act. My study of world religions convinces me that the longing for God is absolutely universal and that it has been "hard-wired" into the human soul by God himself.

[BrentGrainger2000]

Wrd:You posit that your god is "perfect." Any good scientist would make certain that his / her excellent work was (a) reproducible and (b) disseminated globally so that ALL scientists could employ the results for the progress of humankind. Your god, if it exists, does a disservice to worldwide religionists by NOT revealing itself globally in a way that would dispel all reasonable doubt. e.g.. your god fails to reveal itself compellingly to Muslims as triune. Why? Does your god not care, then?

[wordonfirevideo]

@BrentGrainger2000 But part of God's perfection is that he allows his human creatures to be rational and free. He doesn't impose himself on his creation. He has chosen, humbly, to use such instruments as fragile Christians to carry his message to the ends of the world. And if Muslims haven't heard the message of the Trinity, don't blame God; blame the brutal blasphemy laws that obtain throughout the Muslim world!

[BrentGrainger2000]

Wrd: My only point about the immense diversity of belief among the 1000 world religions is NOT to condemn the diversity. Afterall, it arises from the richness of culture, evolutionary experiments, the human search for what works,, the search for meaning, etc. My point is this if specific theo-philosophical "truth" actually exists (triune god, etc. ad infinitum), AND your god exists, AND your god is concerned that humans UNIVERSALLY know this "truth," your god is NOT doing a good job at it.

[wordonfirevideo]

@BrentGrainger2000 But how does that follow? God isn't responsible for the bad moves made by his creatures. If some have fallen away from the fullness of truth, that isn't his fault.

[wordonfirevideo]

@elzoog Friend, what you're presenting as authentic Christian teaching is a complete caricature. You've learned this much more from Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens than from Thomas Aquinas! Get a good basic introduction to Catholic dogma, read it, and then we'll talk.

[wordonfirevideo]

@NGOrchestra Friend, you'll have to parse the difference for me between "explicitly stating there is no God" and "a complete lack of belief in God." That seems to be a distinction without a difference. And no, the "nones" are those who are affiliated with no institutional religion.  Many of the "nones" profess belief in God.

[Apacalola]

The only reason the Catholic population has remained relatively stable in the last few decades is because of the huge influx of immigrants from south of the border who are poorly educated in all fields including their Catholic religion. Clearly legions of educated Catholics have left the Church. In the United States, the most poorly educated and most religious country in the First world, atheism has grown faster than any religion, doubling in less than 20 years.

[ContrabassClar]

@trajan75 @trajan75 No answers to my questions? Could that be because...hmmmm.....you have no answers? No evidence? Just assertions that make you happy? Far be it from me to question you further and rock your intellectual boat. If your assertions provide you with comfort and raison d'etre, so be it! As a former theist and religionist myself, I understand the comfort of the evidence-free zone. Unfortunately, it has many drawbacks as well.

[trajan75]

@ContrabassClar I told you I'm not your bud - jerk. I see you learned the word "proclivity" in your vocabulary class. I also noticed that you responded to my posts within an hour. Don't you have anything else to do? Guys like you are depressing. Get a life, and don't expect any more replies. Unlike you I do have real things to do. Have a nice day

[ContrabassClar]

@trajan75 Hmm...your statements were not articulated in a way that provided an opening for discussion. They were statements of "fact"---though of course without evidence. You have an amazing proclivity, bud, to make assertions about gods and commentators with no evidence whatever, which is certainly not compelling. What is an "eternal dimension?" How do you know that "god has no conern to dispel..doubt?" Prove that "revelation to humans is on an individual basis." Evidence, please!

[trajan75]

@ContrabassClar The language of your reply leads me to the following conclusions: 1) You're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are; 2) You are not particularly knowledgeable about science or mathematics; 3)You read but did not understand my post; 4 You're on this blog because you're obsessed with the question of God but you're too sophomoric and self satisfied to engage in real discussion. I'm offering a thesis for discussion I don't claim that I have the final answer. I'm not your bud.

[ContrabassClar]

@trajan75 My goodness, bud. You certainly assert a lot about this god of yours. I'm amazed that you can know so much about it---and with such a high degree of certainty, too! Frankly, I'll stick with physics, cosmology, and mathematics.

[trajan75]

@BrentGrainger2000 But God exists in an Eternal dimension. The beginning and end of the world is simultaneous for Him. We exist in time.  His revelation enfolds for us through time.. God has no concern to dispel reasonable doubt. Revelation to humans is on an individual basis and can always be doubted.

[ContrabassClar]

Here are a few additional facts of interest. 1) Referring to atheism as a "denomination" is like referring to baldness as a hair color; 2) While the number of Catholics in the U.S. has held constant, due to immigration, 1/3 of the respondents to the PEW survey said they were raised Catholic, but no longer are; 3) 10% of the adult U.S. population call themselves former Catholics; 4) 25% of 18-29 year olds have no religion.

[ContrabassClar]

@trajan75 A difference does exist between believing in some kind of god vs. accepting a complex religion invented by others or alternatively inventing a new, original religion oneself. It seems to me that the more "stuff" a god "does," the more complex the religion that has to be invented---and probably the more authority-based it becomes. From that analysis,acceptance of only the most do-nothing (contemporaneously), stripped down god would NOT lead to some kind of organization / religion.