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[xxxild]

@xy11xy Using the radical feminist position, you draw the conclusions here you just stated. I stated no such thing. And yes, I understand that you can not imagine anyone wanting to be a sex worker but I assure you that is your own bias due to the stigma attached to the work. I have these conversations with people all the time. Few people are open to understanding, say, my personal story on this subject, that sex work was therapeutic for myself and my clients.

[xxxild]

@xy11xy "It's sort of like how the so called "pro life" groups frame their arguments as killing babies."

I do understand and certainly sex pos folks are not the only ones with a positive attitude toward sex. I personally prefer to call prohibitionists what they are, but they do tend to identify as anti-porn anti-sex work, etc. Also, it is the position of some radical feminists to claim all sexual intercourse is rape, but I didn't bring any of that up.

[xxxild]

@xy11xy First of all, I disagree with your point that "framing" an honest and very real position is tactical. The statement simply declares a very real truth. People who are not impoverished choose it as work.

[xy11xy]

@xxxild

..and finally, I think those specific points are perfectly valid... I just think the tactics are ...misguided.

I can't help it...it sort of makes it sound like it's "choices"...and always "choices"

[xy11xy]

@xxxild

@xxsild

soooo...the logic goes: Women have the right to do what they want with their bodies; Women(& children) are prostitutes; therefore, women and children WANT to be prostitutes!... and by extension, they WANT to be exploited.

I was with the argument up until the last statement... then I want to say back up, there are about a million things a "woman" would rather be doing, than prostitution!

[xy11xy]

@xy11xy

It's sort of like how the so called "pro life" groups frame their arguments as killing babies.. Well who could disagree that killing babies is bad...but they force "pro choice" groups to change their language where they sound like they're advocating killing cute little babies. Then the "pro life" groups accuse the "pro "choice groups" of essentially being murderers..

So, if you say you don't advocate legalizing prostitution..you get accused of being a "man hater"..."frigid" etc..

[xy11xy]

@xxxild

Well..now THAT'S specific. The problem - as I see it - is that the framing of those specific points within the "woman's rights" argument was a tactical decision... I don't think it is a wise tactic.. It corners us into saying(suggesting) that prostitution is something women want..we're kinda moving in that general direction. That direction doesn't account for the exploitation of prostitution though...

cont'd.

[xxxild]

@xy11xy What should we enshrine? Continue to keep prostitution illegal so select women end up in jail, with a record, lose their children, then not be able to get a real job when they might normally chose to stop working? I thought you were paying attention to these discussions. Sex worker advocates not only assert that women should not be stigmatized and criminalized for their choices but that women who do NOT want to be sex workers should be allowed and actually able to get out of it.

[xy11xy]

@xy11xy

cont'd..

it's an easy applause line. You say "I think women should have the right to do what they want with their bodies".. Well, who can possibly disagree with that? You avoid getting specific though.. Of course women should have the right to do what they want with their bodies.. Is it wise to enshrine prostitution within the law? I'm not so sure it is. And, isn't prostitution something of a misnomer when so much of it is trafficking? Is this The Fight of our lives?

[xy11xy]

@xxxild

hi xxild,

Do you really believe/feel that you are in great jeopardy because someone is curtailing your right to sell you sexual services? I mean, is this a pressing concern?

I suspect not..which is why I believe the "woman's right" argument is a philosophical position..esoteric, sort of fuzzy and unspecific. I mean really, are women dying for want of prostituting themselves? How can anyone disagree with the woman's right argument?

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