@dasteufelhund Oh, I absolutely agree; parents have a responsibility to reinforce the good work that teachers do, and to repair the damage that incompetent ones do. The first key step that parents should take is choosing a private school and thoroughly vetting the teachers interacting with their children.
Also, this was, as heregoes noted, one of the worst-performing schools in the state. Maybe there was simply a trend of apathetic parents in the district, but my money is still on the teachers.
@hithur It is extremely difficult to believe a teacher would refuse 25 minutes of extra work, unless they are already working overtime, handling overloaded classroom. Prove is needed Let's not forget, teachers are the first to reflect student's performance. This is indisputable, but student's performance isn't going to mean much unless the parents are involved, and I think in this particular area, parents are mostly working class, don't have time to spend with their kids on school work.
@hithur show me the source where you see $70,000 teacher salary. Teachers get paid based on years, degree and expertise. $70,000 is just an out of context figure without any factual findings.
@dasteufelhund before you call me out for being misinformed and misled, maybe you should do some more research on this specific issue. and that comment was made over a year ago. i am way more informed nowadays. :p
@dasteufelhund i didnt say every teacher made 70k, i was pointing to the fact that the average salary for that school was 70k. that means almost every teacher there is making more than the average income of the surrounding area. those teachers arent working overtime, trust me i have a few friends that work in that school district. this 25 mins extra a day is so that they WILL put in extra hours after school, which most teachers should do especially if the scores are so below the state average.
What is more amazing, is the population and the ethnicity of this CF, is ignored, and the parents of these children are likely not held to the same accountability as teachers from the very get go. If you create a law that empowers the child protective service to go into poor performance areas, one warning, final warning, then temporary removal of guardianship, I bet the student's performance will increase and teachers won't be the one babysitting.
@SOAHCSOAHCSOAHC You must know well over 50% of teachers across the nation are not member of a union, the school needs to change, but core of the issue here, is not only teachers, but lack of parental involvement and the accountability of both end. Teachers are blamed for parent's negligence and those who are supposedly "bad teachers" are disgruntled because their effort had been diluted by attitude from home. Just observe Asian and black student's family work ethics you'll see the contrast.
@eugene680 To roll with your scenario with treating education like its a pro sport team, you won't be able to afford teachers by the professional standard and you will have a lot of kids fail by that very same "professional" standard. You could hardly speak for yourself due to lack of knowledge on this issue, let alone your assumption of someone else's credential. I'd love to hear what more useless shit you have to say while you're down, because despite your remark, you got schooled.
@dasteufelhund Oh, I absolutely agree; parents have a responsibility to reinforce the good work that teachers do, and to repair the damage that incompetent ones do. The first key step that parents should take is choosing a private school and thoroughly vetting the teachers interacting with their children.
Also, this was, as heregoes noted, one of the worst-performing schools in the state. Maybe there was simply a trend of apathetic parents in the district, but my money is still on the teachers.
SOAHCSOAHCSOAHC 8 months ago
@hithur It is extremely difficult to believe a teacher would refuse 25 minutes of extra work, unless they are already working overtime, handling overloaded classroom. Prove is needed Let's not forget, teachers are the first to reflect student's performance. This is indisputable, but student's performance isn't going to mean much unless the parents are involved, and I think in this particular area, parents are mostly working class, don't have time to spend with their kids on school work.
dasteufelhund 8 months ago
@hithur show me the source where you see $70,000 teacher salary. Teachers get paid based on years, degree and expertise. $70,000 is just an out of context figure without any factual findings.
dasteufelhund 8 months ago
@dasteufelhund before you call me out for being misinformed and misled, maybe you should do some more research on this specific issue. and that comment was made over a year ago. i am way more informed nowadays. :p
hithur 8 months ago
@dasteufelhund i didnt say every teacher made 70k, i was pointing to the fact that the average salary for that school was 70k. that means almost every teacher there is making more than the average income of the surrounding area. those teachers arent working overtime, trust me i have a few friends that work in that school district. this 25 mins extra a day is so that they WILL put in extra hours after school, which most teachers should do especially if the scores are so below the state average.
hithur 8 months ago
What is more amazing, is the population and the ethnicity of this CF, is ignored, and the parents of these children are likely not held to the same accountability as teachers from the very get go. If you create a law that empowers the child protective service to go into poor performance areas, one warning, final warning, then temporary removal of guardianship, I bet the student's performance will increase and teachers won't be the one babysitting.
dasteufelhund 8 months ago
@SOAHCSOAHCSOAHC You must know well over 50% of teachers across the nation are not member of a union, the school needs to change, but core of the issue here, is not only teachers, but lack of parental involvement and the accountability of both end. Teachers are blamed for parent's negligence and those who are supposedly "bad teachers" are disgruntled because their effort had been diluted by attitude from home. Just observe Asian and black student's family work ethics you'll see the contrast.
dasteufelhund 8 months ago
@NBAGOATS Tell me, what evidence you have showing teacher not putting forth to earn their salary?
dasteufelhund 8 months ago
@eugene680 To roll with your scenario with treating education like its a pro sport team, you won't be able to afford teachers by the professional standard and you will have a lot of kids fail by that very same "professional" standard. You could hardly speak for yourself due to lack of knowledge on this issue, let alone your assumption of someone else's credential. I'd love to hear what more useless shit you have to say while you're down, because despite your remark, you got schooled.
dasteufelhund 8 months ago
You're probably one of those lazy ass teachers they fired. It's about time the education system treats this thing like pro sports.
eugene680 8 months ago