Chuck Missler: Rapture and Tribulation Part 2

Chuck Missler: Rapture and Tribulation Part 2

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• pre-trib
• rapture
• chuck
• missler
• harpazo
• end
• times
• bible
• prophecy

[777Levin]

..friend, God will judge him. And I understand that we must seek out the truth, once we have been born of the Spirit. I am in conversation on another venue with someone who decries those who claim Christ by word yet deny Him by their lifestyle. What God has wrought in me, as well as my friend, is described by John 4:8. His laws are written on tablets of flesh, not tablets of stone or paper.

[777Levin]

Okay, in keeping with a pre-trib rapture, the words of Christ in Mathew 24 would indeed be directed to a Jewish culture that converted due to an event so fantastic as to place in limbo their previous understandings and beliefs. And if you declare the Law and Prophets void after join and before Jesus, how do you explain away Mathew 5:17ff? I do agree that God is not the author of confusion, however men have brought confusion into the institutions of God. Man is the author. As for my missionary..

[sorens70601]

...Narrow is the way, and "few" are they that "find" it. The "onus" is here laid upon the seeker to find the "narrow way". That means that we do not escape judgment by saying "we did not know". 2Jn 9, declares that "if we abide Not" in the "doctrine of Christ, we have Not God". the severity and magnitude of these passages cannot be over emphasized. On this issue, we will just have to agree to disagree, as I am standing my ground. I urge you to get the books I suggested, from AV Publications.

[sorens70601]

...the "Elect" in Mt.24, must conform to this meaning, and refer to the Church, as God is Not the author of confusion. The confusion is brought about by theology refusing to accept Lk.16:16 for what it says !!! The NIV has thousands of "changes" where 'mans word" is substituted for Gods words. Only Gods words have "life", so your missionary friend is preaching "another gospel"(2.Cor.11) and as such He and those that hear him, will Never enter the "kingdom of Heaven". Mt.7:13-15 declares...

[sorens70601]

...discipline in "the Church", concerns the time-line of Christs ministry, and its being already in the "New Covenant era". Which means that Mt.24 concerns the "spiritual Israel" the Church. We learn from scripture, that in the "New covenant" there is no "Male nor female" or "Jew nor Greek", that God has "of the Twain made one New Man". Next, every salutation,or mention of the word "elect" outside of Mt.24, concerns the Church !!, Therefore, in light of Lk.16:16, we must accept that the word...

[sorens70601]

@777Levin ..What you have presented concerning Mt.24, and that this was meant for teh Jews, is the "classic" theological misconception (and dis-information) If you considder carefully Lk.16:16,(in the KJV) it says emphatically, that "The Law and the Prophets were UNTIL John",(John the Baptist) That posits, that aproximately six months later , when Christ BEGAN His ministry, He was ministering in the "New Covenant" epoch or dispensation. That change EVERYTHING !!! That is why Mt.18, discussing..

[777Levin]

us into all truth? Must we all make a life study of scripture, apart from any other pursuit, before we find the way to new life in Him? There are those who, new life in Him firmly in place, occupy theirselves with such criticisms of the Bible. And both they and we are blessed by it, to some degree. However I affirm that this alone remains, in the strictest sense, that the highest, most noble pursuit is to preach the Gospel, and produce children of God among the people of the world.

[777Levin]

yet does not say "You are reading the false" when we read the NASB, or the NIV? Many would-be teachers seek credibility and notoriety, even validation, while the dear people of God look to heaven with expectation as they labor in fields, white with harvest. Are they all lost and bound for hell? Jer. 31:33, and Isaiah 49, together, reveal not only God's means of communicating His will, but those to whom He intends for it to be communicated. This is what I mean. Cannot He not keep us and guide...

[777Levin]

of those who suffer, is neccesarily led astray because she reads the NIV? I have a missionary friend who uses the NIV, and when abroad, the Reina Valera. I have seen the effectiveness of his ministry. Is he somehow leading these children, these people, down some garden path to perdition? Is God so unjust that He would produce His love for people, a devotion to Jesus, in a man's heart and then leave him floundering, promoting the false through faulty translation? How is it that God speaks to us

[777Levin]

...some other explanation for differences. Perhaps you are correct in your assessment of modern translations, However, I still maintain the position that you are not, nor am I, the sole voice of truth in all of history, save for the Lord Himself. Many men, good men, devout men, well-meaning, well-learned, well-gifted undertook to compile the Biblical canon we have today, with it's translations. I find it most heinous that the dear saint who works in the soup kitchen and holds the hand, praying,