UAVs SUCK DoD Sends MANNED RC-12 Turboprops to Iraq/A-Stan

UAVs Suck: U.S. Secretary of Defense Gates Orders MANNED RC-12 Observation Aircraft to Iraq/Afghanistan

Guess who 8 years ago realized the C-12 was the only MANNED DoD twin-turboprop platform readily available for observation/attack duties since unmanned UAVs suck at persistent 24/7/365 surveillance in sub-national conflict (SNC) settings where the enemy actively hides and evades detection efforts?

http://www.combatreform.org/killerbees3.htm

I wonder if they will soon figure out that RC-12s can also carry Hellfire (ATGM) missiles and a 30mm revolving autocannon under their bellies (like the OV-10 NOGS had) to provide INSTANT attack capabilities to what they observe as "OV-12s"?

http://www.combatreform.org/C4ISRJournal.jpg
http://www.combatreform.org/C4ISRJournalMANNEDC12snotUAVs.jpg

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C4ISR Journal, October 2008

Notebook

U.S. OKs $1.3 billion to boost ISR efforts

When U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates stood up an ISR Task Force in April, he demanded a quick response to get more intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets to Iraq and Afghanistan, and now he's getting it to the tune of $1.3 billion.

The four congressional defense panels have approved a Defense Department plan to pull $1.3 billion from the 2008 budget to purchase a variety of ISR systems and speed them into the Iraq and Afghanistan theaters, a senior defense official said Aug. 7. "This funding ... has been requested to increase and enhance the ISR capabilities in CentCom," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said. "It's going to be used for

http://www.combatreform.org/usarmyc12observationaircraftlandsiniraq.jpg

A U.S. Army C-12 lands at Balad Air Base, Iraq. Additional [MANNED] C-12s equipped with ISR sensors are being purchased for U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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the procurement of additional ISR sensors, and leases on contract aircraft as well as services." Gates approved a package of initiatives compiled by the task force, which include purchasing [MANNED] C-12 planes equipped with sensor suites like those found on [UNMANNED] Predators and sending more intelligence personnel to Afghanistan, a senior defense official close to the task force said.

A total of 21 [MANNED] C-12s will be purchased this year, with seven going to the Air Force, 11 to the Army and three to U.S. Special Operations Command. Pentagon officials hope to purchase another 30 [MANNED] C-12s the following year that all will go to the Air Force, the official said.

The task force recommended [MANNED] C-12s, rather than unmanned drones, be purchased because they could be bought and deployed much more quickly; he said.

To help free up pilots and sensor operators flying missions at Creech Air Force Base, Nev., more contractors will be sent to the 432nd Air Expeditionary Wing to handle basic mission-planning duties, the official said.

Task force officials also said they hope to use the funding to bolster the infrastructure set up to disseminate intelligence products produced from the ISR collected by [MANNED] aircraft over Iraq and Afghanistan.

"We need to get it moving faster and to more people as quickly as possible," the official said.

The Pentagon has shifted previously appropriated funds from annual service budgets to cover emerging war costs numerous times during the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. But this request marks the first time senior Defense Department leaders have drawn primarily from Army procurement accounts to pay large war-related bills.

Although Gates set a 120-day deadline for the ISR Task Force when he announced its stand-up April 21, officials said the task force will stay intact and continue to find ways to get more ISR assets to U.S. Central Command "indefinitely. " Defense officials are putting together a proposal for additional funding in 2009 to purchase the 30 [MANNED] C-12s, along with other assets and personnel. Whitman said the additional funding would be in the range of $1 billion.

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[TheSasquatchfeeder]

The MC-12W flew it's first mission in Iraq recently, about 3 months later than expected. Supposedly the AF will field 30 within the next six months and retain 7 stateside for training. Plan is to use them as a stop-gap until the UAV thing ramps up to where it was supposed to be two years ago.

[dynmicpara]

No fool can afford to piss away 50% of his aircraft and not go broke. The Iraqis are smarter than we are on this.

[asiri2007]

At last the U.S has got it, here in Sri Lanka we have been using the RC-12's for almost 20 years with great results!! we only have a few but they have done a great job. SIGINT, Surveillance duties with SAR & IR/thermal have helped us take out many LTTE terrorist Boats/mortar position, bunkers and leaders on the move and a lot more!

Way to go guys.. better late than never. Wish SL would be offered a arms upgrade package for the Hellfires and 30mm cannons if they come in to service.

cheers

[minorityop]

Someone made an OV-10 Bronco for Operation Flashpoint. It was hella fun to fly and attack OPFOR with.

My first field excursion included guard duty right in the approach area of Eielson AFB's airstrip as OV-10 Broncos and A-10 Warthogs did touch and go's. Cool stuff.

[rottenralphdiz]

Where are the pods and all the other goodies, I worked with d's and k models and a whole lot of antennas and stuff are missing from your pick.

[dynmicpara]

@krbosak Thanks for the better translation! UAVs are not the tool to scout for enemies that hide. Humans in O/A planes are.

[dynmicpara]

@Silky182 Mk I eyeballs WORK to find the enemy, that's what matters most. 

[krbosak]

@dynmicpara

RETRANSLATION:

more powerfult sensor, more powerful plane, but also deeper hole in the ground and more graves.

For every task there is a tool.

[Silky182]

Limiting factors to "MK 1" Eyeball. Night time vision impaired, subject to fatigue, slow reaction time adjusting to rapid light change, only available in visible light spectrum, models may vary or lack color spectrum (i.e. color blindness). Replacement parts are limited by suppliers and cost of technical expertise. But the good news is they come in a variety of colors!

[dynmicpara]

LOL, "compel" is the first step towards caring about something...

[chicarillo]

I've never seen such a compelling video i cared so little about.

[krbosak]

On the other hand they won't fly it over zones where "pilot survival instincts" would not cooperate. Also this "instinct" will take over flight controls for one week after any major allied recce plane crash in the area.

At the end, there are no benefits in assymmetric conflict for partisants to scavenge those fantastic sensors. Cost-wise: there would be no war if the costs would not be acceptable. So only the availability, repeatibility and human life is at play.