Vatican Letter to Ireland's Catholic Bishops

The 1997 Vatican letter to Irish bishops about the child sex abuse cases. The Vatican's letter was instructing Irish Church leaders to keep the heinous crimes secret.

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[philosophyjunkie501]

What's the music called?

[deecee10000]

@philosophyjunkie501 Air lent (Distressed Innocence) (Incidental Music, Z 577) ----- Purcell

[19lfm12]

My suggestion to you would be to read up about Opus Dei. Start with the ODAN website. They have many links to former members' stories/testimonies, and documents/books written by independent journalists. These will confirm what I have been saying.

Their 'official membership' of 90K is a false front for the nearly 1 million secular Cooperators,including Kissinger & GHW Bush...

[deecee10000]

@19lfm12 How many times has gingerjuice told you fo fuck off? Keep posting up nonsense and I will have you banned you fucking idiot. I don't normally believe in censorship, even if we have to endure idiots like Fred Phelps, but if you insist on posting your freaked out Opus Dei conspiracy crap instead of commenting on the Vatican letter, I might as well just ban your silly ass. Are you capable of posting a comment that doesn't include "Opus Dei" or how intelligent you believe yourself to be?

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 If you had any Coherence, you would realize that you have only proved my point:

"IRA was set up to wage guerilla war..."...the classic definition of a terrorist group. Composed exclusively of Catholics, yet never an 'official' church entity. Operating in the shadows of the 'parallel church' which is OD. All funding came from Catholic sources. It always enjoyed tacit approval from Bishops, never officially. Hence: Plasuible Deniability'.

[19lfm12]

@deecee10000 The comment you reference was not directed to you; & was an explanation for gingerjiuce of my academic/professional background in the matters at hand & my 'qualification' to make such assertions.

I was obviously NOT the one who derailed the thread topic....actually, it was YOU. As YOU chose to first pretend to agree with me; then lash out in rage against true Christian ethos, beliefs, teaching, et. al.

[deecee10000]

@19lfm12 What the fuck are you babbling on about you fucking idiot? This video is about the crimes of Vatican officials and other officials within the Catholic Church against innocent kids. What the fuck do I care whether you know Latin? Are you fucking insane? Get the fuck off this page if all you can do is talk about yourself you fucking idiot.

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 I happen to be familiar with several other languages beside English. Some via formal study; others I picked up from reading or learning bits from their native speakers. I also know Latin. Not from formal study; I learned it on my own. HOW? Easy...if you know Romance languages you will see the VERY common threads of Latin & understand it. Enough to grasp words/phrases.

It is used extensively in Law, Music, and Science...topics I am quite familiar with......professionally.

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 "....you're a foreigner, so how do u know what's true and what's not?"

1) by observation & objectivity

2) by contact with Irish persons who are/have been members or related to/friends of

3) knowing persons who raised funds for it

4) knowledge of how it has been armed & funded - through known Fascist/terrorist/Opus Dei channels. This is not exactly a secret anymore......its rather easy to figure out.

Just follow the footprints....

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 Anyone in a Western nation with secondary schooling has at least some knowledge of Latin, traditionally. If you were an altar boy, you had to learn some. In school it was key to understanding the Romance languages; often taught first...before learning German, Spanish, Italian, et. al. Law & Medicine students use it, as do those in the Sciences. We are not referring to fluency, but use of words, phrases & at least some peripheral knowledge.

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 The IRA has long been deemed a fascist/terrorist group by responsible govts., NGOs, & educated observers.

Your rhetoric is not a coherent response. I know who & what is truly in back of the IRA - its not just drunked bar owners in the US. That is the tip of the iceberg. Much of their funding & arming comes from literal Fascist/Opus Dei linked sources.

Perhaps an objective look at history is in order....

[gingerjuice123]

@19lfm12, btw. the IRA is not a fascist group, its a paramilitary organisation trying to get rid of imperial rule in their own country. Their labelled as terrorists, but so were the americans when they fought the brits in their war of independence. I invite you formally to come to ireland, stay in my gaf for as long as you need, and i wi introduce you to some IRA boys. Try that fascist bullshit on them and se how long u last, after they recover from gut lauging in your ignorant face.

[gingerjuice123]

@19lfm12 You don't live here, you're not from here, you may have visited once or twice, but nobody spoke Latin to u..why? coz NOBODY USES IT. We have a hard enough time trying to retain Irish, so why would we bother trying to keep a language that SERVES NO PURPOSE?! Seriously man, answer these questions first and foremost, with FACT, not opinion!

[gingerjuice123]

@19lfm12 Futhermore, any catholic connection to the IRA is obvious to explain. Most unionists are protestant, most nationalists are catholic, therefore everyone associates the IRA with the catholic side. The fact is its not about religion for the IRA, its about getting rid of the remaining brit forces in the north. My family were involved with the IRA for decades, I know what I'm talking about...you're a foreigner, so how do u know what's true and what's not?

[gingerjuice123]

@19lfm12 I'm guessing you're either american or english with some retarded 'Lucky Charms' notion of my country! Irish and English are the only two we speak, french 2nd, german 3rd, spanish 4th, Italian 5th. Latin is taught to so few students that Polish, Czech and Russian are more dominant. I suppose we're therefore secretly communist too, eh?! Nobody uses Latin here, coz nobody speaks it as a domestic language, here or abroad. Go check ur data and stop talking thru your balloon knot!

[gingerjuice123]

@19lfm12 Also, seeing as Latin vanished in ireland back in ninteen prohibition, and PC's only came out in irish homes about 15 years ago, do u honestly think anyone is going to crash course latin online when there are plenty of other languages to learn that are still IN USE?! I fucking dare you to come to ireland and lecture any IRA member over the origins of their organisation! Really, I know a few. Question...have u ever been to ireland? u bring a latin dictionary with u? No? Didn't think so!

[gingerjuice123]

@19lfm12 Man, u are truly a fucking idiot, less than a percent of irish people speak Latin, they haven't taught latin in irish schools for over 60 years as a compulsory subject...FACT. The IRA was not formed as some catholic group you moron, it set up to wage a guerilla war against the british occupation.....WITH NO RELIGIOUS CHARTER OR AGENDA. Perhaps you never heard of an obscure publication kown as a history book? I live here, u don't, so stop talking about what you dont know...u twat

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 1) Most older folks & more then a few younger ones would have studied some Latin in school

2) Today, anyone with a pc can find the definition of the phrase...

3) Perhaps you have never heard of some obscure entity called the....IRA.

*dramatic pause*

Anytime we have a Fascist terrorist group - especially a Catholic one - the 'finger' points directly to Opus Dei. The 'cause' is irrelevant, even if the pretext has some moralistic justification.

Tis true, even if you disbelieve

[gingerjuice123]

Aw jesus tapdancing christ. Old people in ireland speak english and irish. NOOOOOBOODDDYY SPEAKSS LAAAATIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!! You haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about!!!!!!!! Latin??!!! Please!

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 What I said applies to Europe: basically nobody goes to church, except those linked with these groups. Yes, there are exceptions, but very few. Hint: older ppl would know Latin, & the meaning of the phrase. The more 'obedient' one is the less one would question the existence of OD, even if they never joined it or any group. They would see it as 'good'.

[gingerjuice123]

assure me all u want, i fucking live here man, u dont!!! get it! i have first hand experience every day! nobody knows opus dei and the church is dying out.....fact. please fuck off with ur responses, seriously, u can try and try all u want, but opus dei are unheard of and all this grooming.....bollox! after all these sex scandals, people here are keeping their kids on a short leash. Ur wrong, stop replying to my gmail...thank you, but no thanks!

[gingerjuice123]

@19lfm12 seriously man, my fucking mum is a church goer, she has no idea who or where these organisation are! Opus dei are unheard of here.....period. I dont care how powerful they are in america, irish people are very suspicious of other or new religious bodies. Really man, ur not from here so quit talking about ireland like u know anything about its people or the devoted sheep that attend church, ur simply speculating! wouldnt be the first time either

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 I assure you: OD has been in Ireland a LOT longer then that. Some of those 'older ppl' are in it, or the various ancillary groups I mentioned. They recruit HEAVILY with kids, signing up those as young as 14.

As I said, duplicity is their prime mode. Many being groomed for OD have their members in their social circle. They target the intelligent & middle class or above. Other groups (Charismatics) tend to groom lower classes.

[gingerjuice123]

@19lfm12 I fucking told u already, ur tarring everyone with ur american brush. These orders u mention are hugely unknown in ireland. Old people go to church these days, and they have no fucking clue about these orders! Take it from me man, i live here, what happens in the US happens in the US. Irish church goers are not in the Opus fucking Dei or would even know who they are! They go o sunday for 40 min and thats it....nothing more! seriously, ur talking through ur ass my friend!

[19lfm12]

@gingerjuice123 For example, in the US such 'feeder' groups would include:

Knights of Columbus, Ancient Order of Hibernians, Legion of Mary, Secular Franciscans, & other 'apostolates' extant nationally. Anyone involved with World Youth Day is (ultimately) involved with OD, as they run it. Where do you think ALL those hordes come from? Or the attendees at Papal Audiences?

These things thrive on ignorance & innocence, hooking those who may be sincere - but clueless.