Claude Vivier- Shiraz (1/2)

Vivier, the father of Spectralism, wrote only this one piece for solo piano. It actually reminds me slightly of Evryali, although possibly a bit more playful. Sort of like Evryali's Nephew. Performed by Jenny Lin.

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• Vivier
• Spectralist
• Piano
• Jenny
• Lin

[flibbertergibbet]

I hear more of Messiaen here than any one else, although I definitely agree with Prokofiev as the pregenitor of the opening section: in fact, this piece is rather too beholden for comfort...

[John11inch]

No idea how in the world you think this sounds anything like something by Prokofiev.

Maybe you have done some harmonic analysis on the chord structures of this piece and that of... whatever it is by Prokofiev you think it sounds like that you can show us?

[symoncarpediem]

Really interesting! What dates? I'm very curious! But in fact, their music and theories have had much more influence on the current of spectralism then the music and theories of Vivier: he died so young! If you have some infos that I did not have, I would be very thankfull to know!

[John11inch]

I wouldn't say that Vivier was necessarily as influential in making Spectralism the new main-stream, as it is at the moment, as Murail, Dufourt and Grisey; I am merely saying that he was writing Spectralist compositions before either of those two composers were.

[symoncarpediem]

In fact, unluckily, Vivier is a major composer, maybe my favorite, but he did not invent spectral music, Murail and Grisey are the ones who could claim this title. Also Vivier composed other pieces for piano less know: Désintégration (for 2 pianos) and Pianoforte (piano solo) wich are quite interesting, but not as much as this one major piece.

[John11inch]

They can claim it but they'd be lying >> You might want to check some dates. I did honestly forget about Pianoforte, though.

[lovesGenet]

I like this .I think if he had beem more interested in piano or if he had time maybe he would have left something more interesting.Grisey,&Murail have been great discoveries for me.Im looking at students of Stockhausen now :even the minor ones where i can find them. again, not as interesting in its layout on piano as his orchestrations.There is more jazz here than Messiaen. The rhythms aint hindu thats for sure.

[musicalidea]

@John11inch I think parts of the 7th and 8th Sonata by Prokofiev have reminiscences to the opening section.

[FenderRhodesService]

Although I am not that interested in the tedious meanderings of Spectralisms ..wasnt Penderecki one of the first to get intertwined with that subjectmatter ?

[lovesGenet]

Again ,great post from 11inch.Of course I never heard of spectralism but Radulescu is some of the best music I know of .This inspires me to write a piano concerto beginning like this beginning and then Barrtok3rd like lush orchestra going its own way. Piano as total percussion instr with maybe it doubling with percussion.Which percussion we will see. Easy to hear Messiaen in this .In fact I don't see it as too original except in structure.

[boguspurr]

@John11inch I guess he means the 3rd movement of the Prokofiev 7th piano sonata.

[hexatonico]

Excellent piece! I love it! Unique

[happehaha]

@John11inch Try the opening of the last of Prokofiev's Sarcasms. There's a similarity of gesture rather than harmony

[daniel15671]

Well, Prokofiev, Messiaen, Rameau, who-ever...I hear an individual voice here, albeit one that's just beginning to find his own way. In the 20th century, it seems to take a composer longer to find a mature individual voice. I wonder if that's due to the fact that musical language is so much more complex and fragmented today than in previous eras?

[flibbertergibbet]

Well, how about the very opening repeated chords (C maj-min) & their subsequent intervallic expansion? C. f. MOST of Prokofiev's Suggestion Diabolique...