The True Catholic Mass and The New Catholic Mass

This video touches on a variety of topics regarding the Novus Ordo Missae and the "Tridentine" mass. This video explains why the term Tridentine mass is really a misnomer because there was only one mass that developed into different rites in the Catholic Church, and that there really was no saints "before" the Tridentine mass because its always been there in one stage of development or another. This video speaks about the importance of the liturgy as a teaching tool in the church and gives a brief description of Quas Primas by Pope Pius XI. It discusses some of the themes of the changes in the new mass, and the striking similarities between the new rite of mass and the protestant liturgies.

Examples for consideration:

Example 1: Episcopal "mass".
In its externals it is virtually indistinguishable from a typical Catholic mass parish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsNx0A4_oOA&feature=PlayList&p=BB4701A...
Notice the words of the priest "see that you are, the body of christ"... completely undermining the reality of the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist. In catholic theology, there is a phrase that is similar to the modern phrase, "actions speak louder than words" but it is speaking about what we believe. It is "lex orandi, lex credendi" - the law of prayer is the law of belief. In other words, how we pray dictates what we believe. Sadly the externals of our mass are very similar to those of the groups that do not believe in the true presence.
To be fair, here is a more conservative episcopal mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9y8VcbBAnA&feature=related

Example 2: Methodist "mass"... this is similar to a typical catholic parish. Almost definitely invalid. But notice the similarities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9KtR71Tv4w&feature=related

Counter Example 1:
But my point is, notice how similar these protestant liturgies are to the Roman liturgy. Now, this may seem like a no brainier. One may say," Of coarse they are similar liturgies, they broke off of the Catholic Church, their worship will look similar to Catholic worship." But the fact of the matter is, wait until you see what the Roman Liturgy was like before it was morphed and mutilated into looking like the protestant liturgies in the 60's. Here are a couple samples. This is a short clip the got on to PBS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5HmPmbZqs8&feature=related

Counter Example 2:
This is a full Traditional Latin Mass. Just skip through this to get a feel for what its like. The level of solemnity and majesty expressed in this mass is completely unworldly when compared to the protestants and the Modern Catholic Mass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJaDU7x_Xo&feature=PlayList&p=D6726E7...

Suggested Book References:

The Spirit of the Liturgy, - by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
Reform of the Roman Liturgy: Its Problems and Background, by Monsignor Klaus Gamber
The Modern Rite, by Mgr Klaus Gamber
The Organic Development of the Liturgy, by Reid Alcuin
Heresy of Formlessness, by Martin Mosebach
Looking at the Liturgy, by Aidan Nichols

Article Suggestions:
The Attractiveness of the Tridentine Mass, by Alfons Cardinal Stickler
http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/stickler.asp

The Ottaviani Intervention:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/reformof.htm

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[AndrewKH85]

Neither are Biblical so they are completely worthless to Yhwh. What other importance could they be of? The inspired scriptures have identified the catholic entity as the whore of babylon. Why would you go against a 100% biblical accuracy and claim to be fighting for your savior? Your works are in vein.

[1rams123]

@AndrewKH85 I'm not here to play protestant/catholic apologetics with u. For anyone with good will, all the info is out there online to prove that Catholic Church is the one true church established by Christ, outside of which there is no salvation. But I will say this, the teachings of apostles and the New Testament embodied in the Mass and the Liturgy before they were ever written down. The Mass and the Catholic tradition is the context for the scriptures- and so without them u are in error.

[cloudsurfer007]

The information presented here is wrong in terms of archeology.

First: up until the year 1000 or so, The priest faced the people in common worship. There was no Blessed Sacrament. Nor were there confessionals etc. About 1200 or so the orientation of Churches was changed causing to priests pray towards walls of statues, with relics and ultimately a tabernacle being the focus of worship. The Latin Mass is a Renaissance Invention. Traditional worship was in the language of the people & informal.

[1rams123]

@cloudsurfer007

My friend- you are wrong, plain and simple. These is assertions are based on the same shoddy scholarship that proponents of the liturgical reform based their arguments on. If you read REAL, reliable, and informed liturgists like J.A. Jungmann - praised by Pope Benedict 16 as a "true liturgics among an army of psuedo-liturgts" - you will see where you are very mistaken. Also read the Pope B16's liturgical works and you will see the same thing.

[hoffabrando]

The Catholic Church is in trouble; she pedals lies of for truths, and her biggest mistake,

Will cause her to crumble, the papacy claims infallibility, she is on course

For destruction and because of pervious infallible popes, vatican11, your pope of to day is just following a merry tune, cant you see, she is right on course. To except every abomination.

[1rams123]

What is Ironic is that u are clamming that the church's very indefectability will be the cause if her ruin.... to me, this like some sort of contradiction.

While u are right about the churchmen are delved into widespread apostasy (i believe possibly foretold by scripture) U are making claims without any backup or even a completely understanding what u are talking about- especially in the case of infallibility. Any more comments not pertaining to the context of this video will be removed.

[cunjoz]

@cloudsurfer007

wow...al those things mixed up together...please read some Augustine, Iraeneus, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin the Martyr, , U.M. Lang, Gamber, Michael Davies.

Also note that not single liturgy of the Church has the celebration towards the people...not the coptic, nor melkite, nor syrian, nor maronite, nor armenian, nor indian, nor byzantine - all those Catholic rites are done "with the priest having his back on the people"..

[maple1212]

this is a very good video.

[gbantock]

What a blessing it is, young man, to hear these words from someone of your generation (mine is that of "the War Years", predating the "Baby Boom"). At your age in my early to mid-twenties I went to Mass frequently, 3 or 4 times a week. In some ways the 1962 Mass gave me greater comfort and joy at these weekday early morning celebrations than on Sunday. The old Hispanic priest said the Latin impeccably & with great piety. Now who cares? The priests & the Novus Ordo itself are childish & futile!

[pfpnewhope]

Jesus is the norm, not the middle ages....

[cpmkw]

The nuttiness of this is EXACTLY WHY the reform was absolutely essential to retain any relevance whatsoever, and to continue to survive. If ancient, indirect dead language is what's important to you, it really betrays the shallowness & inanity of everything this is about. Get a grip. What are you even trying to do? Do you have any clue? What are your priorities, and what service do you seek to provide people? You didn't eve grow up when Latin masses were still being conducted. Very sad person.

[cpmkw]

The whole thing is arbitrary theater of wild eclecticism that betrays a legacy of pure politics. It doesn't take a genius or a religious scholar to figure out that something is screwy when someone neurotically insists that a ceremony worshipping a god, who used to be a Jewish man who spoke Aramaic, and delivered to (say) modern English speakers, should be conducted in the long-extinct language of his killers. The neurotic convolutions of logic are incredible. Has ZERO to do with spirituality.

[cpmkw]

What a pointless, pedantic waste. It never fails to amaze me how this circular contrived nonsense it taken by those immersed in it as serious intellectual activity.

Every bit of the nonsense you spout is based on perpetuating the the absurd oppressive tyranny that suggests that one man's (because sex is so important) and by extension his deputies' claim to ownership of a god myth should have some sway over or significance in the lives of every person on this planet. Such repellant BS. Absurd.

[TheDesertProphet454]

The New Mass in also the true Mass no matter what the goofy schismatics claim.