Po-Mo Architects on Charlie Rose, 1 of 2

Peter Eisenman, architect of the Center for Design and Art at the U. of Cincinnati, is interviewed at length by Charlie Rose and a panel of architects in the mal-formed interior of his new monstrosity.

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Education

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• Mrcropper
• architecture
• eisenman
• cincinnati
• post-modern
• po-mo
• ayn
• rand
• objectivism

[slaytonj5]

I think if you'd experience a Richard Sierra sculpture you would better understand the concept of "your body in a space". Although it's not architecture, it would aid your understanding. //j

p.s. i'm not sure why your blasting academia?

[MrCropper]

" i'm not sure why your blasting academia?"

Because it is so full of Marxist, multiculturalist crap today.

[zorio]

I would really like to know what kind of evidence you have to support such a claim.

[MrCropper]

I was at university for four years. If you'd ever set foot in a university classroom, the pro-socialist-pro-leftist-pro-­government stance of 95% of the professors is obvious. Leftist nutheads are more common in the colleges than in the general population by a wide margin.

[gabrielevery]

when is it 'ok/not ok', to use metaphor? you've used it in your poems.

[MrCropper]

"when is it 'ok/not ok', to use metaphor? you've used it in your poems."

Metaphors have to make sense - i.e. they have to refer to something in reality - i.e. they have to be explainable.

What is an argument that can't be explained or understood?

[zorio]

So you think that your own biased experience over a short period is enough evidence to draw such conclusions regarding all universities all over the world? That would be like if I went to McDonald's, had bad service, and decided based on that that all McDonald's have bad service all the time, everywhere. It doesn't hurt that there are other people who have had bad service either! Now it's objective!

[nine9s]

"It tries to bring the body back into the mind-I (or eye?) relationship"??? WTF?

Charlie Rose: "How?" God I love that man.

The guy's "How" explanation is just perfect. Couldn't make that crap up if I tried.

[Gtechture]

@Gtechture

Having said that I think the architects statements are radically out of touch with problems intrinsic to architecture and do not even offer the slightest insight into the work. Despite this Gwathmey and Meier have produced some excellent work.

[Gtechture]

@Gtechture

The writings Le Corbusier and Frank Lloyd Wright are equally inarticulate, but no one could deny the greatness of their works of architecture. In the introduction of The Principles of Art, Collingwood states that the artist talks non-sense but knows what he is talking about while the philosopher-aesthetician talks sense but does not know what he is talking about.

[Gtechture]

@MrCropper

Mr.Cropper,

I think you're criticism is right on. The delirious statements made by these architects represent the unfortunate condition of art and architecture in academia. Most of the jargon architects use is misappropriated from post-modern and marxist theory and in their minds they are speaking in concrete terms. This is really nothing new though. Artists and architects have always been inarticulate.

[3344beaver]

garbage

[Juanitoelmex]

Man, dude. You dont know what you are talking about. I think you just hate this guy for no apparent reason. You are just bashing him like he had no reasoning behind his thinking. You are just afraid of what you cant understand.

[grantsinmypants2]

... at best, happiness is a plate on a baggage carosuel at the airport, or a slinky.

[grantsinmypants2]

A wide integration: I don't know if you've watched Paul McKeever's radio interview about environmentalism, but in it he describes two mentalities. The first is aware of 3 emotional states: unhappiness, indifference (contentedness), and happiness. The second, only 2: unhappiness and indifference.

Eisenman's answer about the mind-body dichotomy and his building's bridging of it. To him, being "disturbed" (his word) is the only way to come out of indifference. "Happiness" doesnt exist...

[Kierketaard]

Hmm ... wonder if the anti "leftist nutheads" wonder why they're paying 4 dollar gas, have a relative who died in a silly mid-east war, or what the heck led their govt. into multi-billion dollar deficits over the last 7 years. That's of course if they can think straight without stewing about how they dropped out of college ...

[incrediblemulk42]

I can attest to this as well since pretty much all of the professors for my humanity elective classes were obviously liberal.  My "Cultural Anthropology" class was essentially all pure Marxism and multiculturalism.

[courtabeth]

Most lasting poetry,including Shakespeare,Keats remarked "puts the reader in negative capability,when man is capable of being in uncertainties,mysteries,doubts­,without any irritable reaching after fact or reason." Keats isn't saying don't use facts,he's saying let poetry be a thoroughfare for all thoughts, both rational and irrational.Purely rational poetry is like a man with half a face.

[howlinhusky]

yawn. this is 9 minutes i'll never get back. your whole metaophor arguement is quite rediculous albeit hilarious. all of the metaphors you cite refer to what most architects (and students of architecture) might call common knowledge, ie knowledge taught in architecture school. if you were to really try your chances at a compelling arguement, you might do a little homework. At the very least, you should be able to correctly pronounce the panels members names.

[beornborg]

Cropper you need more background information about art and architectural history to understand the comments from the video. I recommend reading Experiencing Architecture by Steen Rasmussen.

[deadwildcat1]

You have to take the elevator to the top and walk down not the other way around. The museum has crappy exhibits in my opinion, that's my only problem with it.

[gabrielevery]

the guggenheim is an example of 'a great exterior & a bad interior'... it just doesn't properly excute what it was designed to be

[gabrielevery]

how do you feel about Frank Lloyd Wright? especially his idea for the ideal family house...

& the Guggenhiem in NY, which is an awesome building but a shitty place to observe art.. or Frank Ghery, who has some awesome & beautiful buildings

[gabrielevery]

...In contrast, no one seems to be able to explain to me why the latest post-this-and-that is (for the most part) other than truism, error, or gibberish, and I do not know how to proceed."

[gabrielevery]

..."True, there are lots of other things I don't understand: the articles in the current issues of math and physics journals, for example. But there is a difference. In the latter case, I know how to get to understand them, and have done so, in cases of particular interest to me; and I also know that people in these fields can explain the contents to me at my level, so that I can gain what (partial) understanding I may want....

[gabrielevery]

"Quite regularly, "my eyes glaze over" when I read polysyllabic discourse on the themes of poststructuralism and postmodernism"....

[gabrielevery]

i have BFA, but i never been able to treat architecture as anything beyond function & design. and i'm certainly not ignorant on the matter.. i love great architecture, but not for the reasons that those people are saying. as Chomsky would say about Post modernists, "...