re: Essential strategy question for anti-statists.flv

Ancaps don't use civil disobedience and outright rejection because of their personal lives as well as a lessened ability to spread ideas.

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• civil disobedience

[GabrielKoulikov]

Yay! Thanks for replying to my video!

Since my question was more about the intersection of the abstract and the practical, may you clarify: to what extent were you speaking in terms of a psycho-social evaluation of trends you've noticed and people you've observed and interacted with vs. how much were you speaking about yourself and your own life? (please elaborate as much as you'd care to)

Thanks again for the valuable feedback, Amelia!

[lifeishowitis]

@GabrielKoulikov Antistatists This is true generally speaking, and any anti-statists that I've ever talked to about it feels this way and it makes a lot of sense to me. It also has to do with myself though. I already don't pay taxes so that isn't an option to protest anywho, and I follow every ordinance that will make things easier for me to live, possibly even more so than a lot of statists do. I want as little direct interaction with the state as possible.

[LibertaerUeberAlles]

I think that anti-statism leads to monarchy, which might be the most natural condition for society. When considering that there are essentially only two-forms of rule, monarchy and oligarchy, one sees that the former makes much more sense for ordinary people than the latter. The whole "democracy" thing was created by oligarchs as a mechanism of control..

[lifeishowitis]

@LibertaerUeberAlles I hope anti-statism leads to anti-statism. Monarchy may be preferable to democracy, but I do not see why an anti-statist society would be more likely to lend itself to that type rather than any other type of government. The idea of establishing a statists order in an anarchist society means people have given up wanting to govern themselves. Monarchs often get credibility from divine rule or heritage which are mostly rejected at this point so it seems a hard one to pull off.

[RodCornholio]

When complying with a state official enforcing XYZ, we should 1.) get them to see you as a human being, then 2.) FRANKLY state something like, " I just want to let you know that I am doing this only because I feel threatened by your guns or jail time. I am not doing this of my own free will."

If government was truly powerful, it wouldn't need force to convince people.

[stealthswimmer]

agreed, i think ancaps should stay out of jail. In my classes at college we went over how ideas get adopted (it's the same for technologies and products or services). People have someone make the case (marketing) for adopting it, and people typically are risk averse so they wait for some sort of opinion leader to give the ok on it. That means we should influence opinion leaders or become them, but either way it involves setting a good example and getting ppl to wanna emulate and adopt the ideas

[Pericles461]

Usually when engaging in any sort of direct action, people will have a support team to help get the message out. Also, just coming out with a total anarcho-capitalist theory would be a bad idea to begin with. Start with stuff that people already agree on, like getting rid of the Federal Reserve or the Patriot Act, or maybe something that will show how government regulations harm the poor, for instance starting a business without a license and employing poor people.

[LibertaerUeberAlles]

@lifeishowitis

Yes, a variety of organizational structures could emerge (e.g., the Russian autonomous communal system), but I wonder if it's only possible under a monarchy in which the King serves as protector of the common people and the weak. This is the natural role of a King and it evolves naturally in light of external challenges ( e.g., invasion) and internal challenges (e.g., moneylenders).

For interesting perspective (audio), google: Medieval Political Ideas, Part I - VoR

[Killedkennyagain]

Jail is definitely were the Free Keene activists keep ending up...

[intercourseman69]

It would a somewhat statist thing to do to try to manufacture an artificial demand for anti-statism, it would lead to an uncalibrated market and then you get the bubble burst when everyone abandons statism; not enough would have the values and understanding of the ideology and won't be swayed internally.

It's like getting rid of religion in the USSR. Everyone was still highly attached to religion anyway.

I love comparing statheists' arguments to arguments religious people would make.