Does God Exist? (Michael Shermer vs John Lennox)

Atheist Michael Shermer (who never won a debate in his life, and... well, is still not winning debates) debated Dr. John Lennox on the existence of God and gets pulverized.

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[Voltar143]

@benjaminfair1 religions must be distinguished by examining them and testing them. Quaran for example contradicts the bible and its own claim. Hinduism is only a man made idols and ideas, budhism is an atheistic religion. But Christianity stands out and make sense out of all types of religion including atheism

[Voltar143]

@benjaminfair1 Isaiah 45:7 First of all, the Hebrew word for evil, "rah," is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as "evil." The other 232 times it is translated as "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble."

Here in Isaiah 45:7, He is talking about calamity.

[benjaminfair1]

@spenceII I was talking of the similarity between constraining the determination of the meaning of words to their physical properties, and constraining the cause of the universe to physical laws within it. The constraints seem to have a similarity to me.

[mblackchurch]

@benjaminfair1 What I am doing is pointing out what should be the most obvious. And that is that morality is not only innate, but also cultural. You say that strapping on bombs is immoral in any society. But death is the answer for infidels according to the word of Allah as seen in the Qur'an. It is completely moral. You are just tap dancing and splitting hairs to impress me. I am not impressed. Please quote the verse as you WISH to see it. Then I will tell you why it's wrong

[benjaminfair1]

@mblackchurch You're taking this hand-picked verse and translation and banking on the use of a single word, and then you take it out of context. I could use another translation that has different wording and then your whole argument dissolves. My point stands, evil is not a thing unto itself, it is the absence of good. And you are still supporting moral relativism. Are some things evil regardless of social norms?

[666TheBloodLust666]

I know this statement will be unpopular however I believe it has to be submitted... Alot of people want to blame God for peoples violent responses to please God... Well my response to that is why don't people begin to find fault in themselves instead of blaming God...

[spenceII]

@benjaminfair1

I fail to see the similarity, though I am short of sleep. I agree with what you said in regards to the idea that the state from which the universe arose need not conform to the laws operating within that universe, however would have worded it differently. I would not describe the state from which our universe arose as 'supernatural'. Instead I would simply consider such a state as a more fundamental level of nature, from which our universe sprouted.

[mblackchurch]

@benjaminfair1 You say god didn't create evil? I beg to differ: Isaiah 45:7: King James Version (KJV) "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Morality is intrinsic to our nature because we are not only naturally empathetic, but we are also social animals.And social animals must adapt to their particular tribe and the social norms of that tribe (humans in this case but applies to all animals).

[benjaminfair1]

@mblackchurch You're talking about moral relativism, I'm talking about moral objectivism. Suicide bombing is evil no matter what country you live in, even if the people of that country or the entire world say it isn't. This is moral objectivism. I do agree with you that the awareness of morality is intrinsic to our nature, but please tell me why that is. You are wrong about the bible; God didn't create evil because evil is the absence of good like darkness is the absence of light.

[Nietzschean1000]

Why God never got a PhD ----------------------- 1. He had only one major publication. 2. It was written in Aramaic, not in English. 3. It has no references. 4. It wasn't even published in a refereed journal. ... 7. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited. 8. The Scientific community has had a hard time replicating his results. 9. He unlawfully performed not only Animal, but *Human* testing. 10. When one experiment went awry, he tried to cover it by drowning his subjects.