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Debunking the Myths
Christians in our day do not need to be persuaded to lay aside the historical accounts of Jesus found in the Gospels, in order to find a historical Jesus. Although there is outside evidence, the greatest proof that the Bible is true comes from the Word itself.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:1,14).
The name given to Jesus is the Word. The authority of the Word of God comes from the fact that it is the testimony Jesus Christ has given of himself:
"If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true ... I am one who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me." (John 8:14,18).
The authority of the Word of God does not come from the study of the historical accuracy of the Bible; the study of archaeology to prove the validity of the Bible; or the study of science to prove the account of creation. Instead we believe the authority of the Word because Jesus Christ Himself gave it.
The authority of the Word of God does not come from us being able to prove that it is true. The authority of the Word of God comes from the fact that it is God's Word. God spoke it; it is truth.
This approach is sometimes called presuppositionalism. The authority of the Word of God is presupposed (believed ahead of time). It is the opposite of evidentialism, the idea that we must seek to prove that the Bible is true by offering evidence. Evidentialism is not wrong; it is important to defend what we believe. However, it is impossible to "prove" Scripture using evidence from philosophy, history, archaeology, science, and other rational proofs. To do so would be to claim that these proofs have the same infallible authority as God himself.
The Word of God preached is all the evidence that a person needs in order to be saved. We do not need to "prove" the Gospel in order for it to be effective. The Word of God preached is a living and powerful sword that pierces the hearts of its hearers. While the Word preached is the only weapon of our warfare, there is already much evidence of the truth in natural revelation.
"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse" (Rom. 1:20).
But the truth preached, not the evidence that the Word is true, is the only effective message of salvation. Paul writes in Romans 3:4:
"Let God be true, and every man a liar" (Rom. 3:4).
We should not lay aside the evidence completely. Paul preached a sermon in Athens (Acts 17:23-31), and appealed to evidences that God exists from Greek philosophy. But Paul concluded his Gospel message with this idea:
"Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead." (Acts 17:30,31).
Truth is revealed, not by evidence, but by the Word preached. Our problem is not that we lack understanding or need more information. Our problem is that each one of us is a sinner and needs repentance.
The Authority of the Word of God
The authority of the Bible is implied by the fact that we call it: "God's Word." Inspiration is the means by which the Bible received its authority. The apostolic writings of the New Testament were boldly described in the same authoritative terms that denoted the Old Testament as the Word of God. The New Testament books were called "scripture," "prophecy," "the Word of the Lord," and so on.
[Scroll the following scriptures on screen over the narration in the following two paragraphs]
"Hear the word of the LORD ..." - Jeremiah 31:10
"But the word of God grew and multiplied." - Acts 12:24
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God ..." - 2 Timothy 3:16
"... as they do also the rest of the Scriptures." - 2 Peter 3:16
"Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book." - Revelation 22:7
"So the word of the Lord grew mightily and prevailed." - Acts 19:20
Every book in the New Testament contains some claim to divine authority. The New Testament church read, circulated, collected, and quoted the New Testament books right along with the inspired Scriptures of the Old Testament.
The contemporaries and immediate successors of Jesus' Apostles recognized the divine origin of the New Testament writings along with the Old. All of the great Fathers of the Christian church from the earliest times held to the divine inspiration of the New Testament. There is a continuous claim for the inspiration of both Old and New Testaments from the time of their composition to the present.
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@99minerkc
1. The Christian puts his faith in the unchanging, inerrant Word of God that has never been proved to be false. The Christian understands that science is useful in understanding truth, but is not the final authority on truth.
2. The atheist puts his faith in scientific theories that change from generation to generation and will be laughed at by future metaphysical naturalists in 100 years time, who will in turn will use the latest scientific theories to mock the Bible.
jcr4runner 1 year ago
continued here: who scrutinizes that if not scientists? Nobody, right! Example: The pope not long ago announced that limbo is no longer valid! WHAT THE HECK! How can he make such a claim? Who scrutinized whether it was valid or not? Do you see the difference? Science tests claims where religion does not! I have FAR LESS doubt with science than religion!
99minerkc 1 year ago
@jcr4runner I disagree! First, a great many people doubt the infallibility of the bible, Quran, and other holy books, so there's doubt there too! Yes, there's sometimes doubt with the results of some scientific theories HOWEVER, the nice thing about the scientific method is that if new and different evidence comes in on a theory, scientists re examine the test results and if need be make updates! With science there's always modifications under CLOSE SCRUTINY where as with religion(continued)
99minerkc 1 year ago
@99minerkc The point is that since our knowledge is finite, the only way we can make definitive statements about truth, we need an infallible revelation from a divine source. Otherwise all human knowledge is subject to doubt. We can never know anything to be true outside of accepting that God exists.
jcr4runner 1 year ago
@jcr4runner How do you know it's divinely inspired? It reads an awful lot like man made(non inspired)texts to me!
99minerkc 1 year ago
@99minerkc As finite beings, our own statements can only minimize God. That is why we have a divinely inspired Word.
jcr4runner 1 year ago
@jcr4runner Are you kidding me? EVERYTHING related to a divine god is essential! you're talking about the GOD of EVERYTHING! If jesus is truly god then you're comments are minimizing GOD! Unless however, it's all MAN MADE, then you can justifiably minimize things! In other words, god is simply a man made item that can be minimized!
99minerkc 1 year ago
John 3:16
redwine65 2 years ago
All Christians agree on the Apostles and Nicene creeds. In there is all you need to believe if you are in a state of salvation. We can disagree on many other nonessentials.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
So assuming that the Bible IS the word of God IF Jesus were here, WHICH of the myriads of Christian sects and denominations all claing to be His church, to base their beliefs on ONE Book, and who acknowledge One Lord, which of them would He call His true Followers? The subject of course is debatable. WHY? Because Christians who ALL claim to have owed their Biblical Interpretations from ONE spirit of UNITY are NOT united UNTIL now. PERIOD.
irendelle 2 years ago