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@theearstohear You and I both agree - we are passive in regeneration (being born again) That's not the issue. Secondly we both agree the exercise of faith is synergistic in nature. The problem is when you say a person is saved before his exercise of faith, which disagrees with Rom 10;9-10; Acts 16:30-31; John 20:31
BT3701 2 months ago
@BT3701 Correct, the exercise of faith is synergistic, but no synergistic act of faith is involved in the new birth which precedes faith in time and imparts eternal life. It is very true that faith is an element of our salvation in the sense that we walk by faith. It is not, however, involved in how we got the life and the legs to "walk" in the first place. We can no more participate in our new birth than Adam could in his creation.
theearstohear 2 months ago
@theearstohear You yourself stated that an exercise of faith is synergistic, yet in typical hyper-Calvinist fashion you deny that faith plays a role in becoming saved,
BT3701 2 months ago
@BT3701 Your clarifying admission that eternal salvation is both monergistic and synergistic is an insightful glimpse into the logical underpinnings of your theology. I appreciate your candor.
theearstohear 2 months ago
@BT3701 Is that because I believe that being "born of God" is the same as regeneration? What Calvinist, Arminian or even Roman Catholic would deny that? Is it because I believe that regeneration is equated with salvation in Titus 3:5? That is the plain meaning of that text. If the combination of those two truths is what makes one a hyper-Calvinist, then I certainly am one.
theearstohear 2 months ago
@theearstohear
I believe your hyper-Calvinism is clouding your understanding of Scripture.
BT3701 2 months ago
@BT3701 "Born of God" = "regeneration" = "salvation" per Titus 3:5.
theearstohear 2 months ago
@theearstohear Which word in 1 John 5:1 is synonymous with salvation? Secondly, the events leading up to actual salvation begin with the monergistic act of regeneration, which then lead to the synergistic act of believing (unless you think that God believes for you). Therefore salvation is both monergistic as well as synergistic. And lastly since no man can save himself, God indeed is sovereign. I personally believe your hyper-Calvinism has disabled you from understanding that.
BT3701 2 months ago
@BT3701 Acts 16 and Romans 10 are talking about fruits, not roots. If you see "no mention of salvation" in I John 5:1, I wonder what else you might not be seeing. Be that as it may, until you understand that there is no difference between spiritual and eternal life, you will not understand salvation by grace. If the exercise of faith is required for eternal life, and the exercise of faith is synergistic, then salvation is synergistic, and salvation is not by sovereign grace.
theearstohear 2 months ago
@theearstohear In 1 John 5:1 there is no mention of salvation whereas in Rom 10:9-10 & Acts 16:30-31 which you ignore and have been unable to refute clearly disagree with you.
BT3701 2 months ago