Danzan Ryu NYC Jujitsu demo

http://dzrnyc.org Throwing, grappling, joint locks.

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[namayake]

My experience with DZR was quite poor. I went to a DZR studio as child looking to learn self-defense as I was being bullied & beaten nearly everyday. The instructors told my father some philosophical junk & I was enrolled for 2 years. I trained as hard as I could but their was no emphasis on practical application. I continued to be bullied & beaten to a pulp. None of that changed until I quit & joined an American Kenpo school. The only thing good I learned through DZR was how to break a fall.

[sandmanfluidfilm]

@namayake I'm surprised to hear of your experience. I don't represent DZR Jujitsu - I can only speak as one participant – but I've found that the AJJF (one of several DZR organizations) is committed to the esoteric principles of the founder, Henry Okazaki, which focus on honoring your elders and perfection of character. And generally trains with a deep sense of kokua (mutual benefit.) Martial arts practically is ripe for endless trolling... but I'm glad you found something that works for you.

[jukido987]

After the founder of this Beautiful system died, the integrity of this art started to slowly decline, especially after the death of Bud Estes. now most DZR guys are a bunch of kooks who forgot the fighting roots of the art. there may still be a few left but you could count them on one hand in the whole world! Okazaki was, among other things, a fighter! he based his system off of real fighting, nowadays it's against the "rules" in all danzan ryu schools to spar. okazaki is turning over in grave!

[sandmanfluidfilm]

I think a lot of that comes from the cost of insurance and fear of injury lawsuits. Many of us here cross train in Judo and we get an opportunity to go full-force/full-speed that way. But that's also where you get a lot of injuries. You need both. My philosophy is you might as well do some competition when you're young; but if you want to practice when you're 50, 60+, keep up the kata. That way you'll still be dangerous when you're an old fart.

[jackingoldsby]

@JudokaGJJ . Re the randori, some do, some don't. I believe the AJJF is mulling over making it part of the curriculum.

[namayake]

@shenzino Trying emulate "Osensei" seems like idol worship to me, which seems to be a common theme in many traditional Japanese martial arts (ie Aikido). So is having some "spiritual" philosophy at it's core. What I wonder is how much of the money these schools take goes directly to foundations setup in the names of the founders? It makes me think of L. Ron Hubbard & the Scientology Foundation.

[shenzino]

@namayake Well, don't feel bad, I stuck with it until shodan. It's fun, but is not really taught with an eye towards practicality. It's all about "kata" and doing it EXACTLY like Okazaki. It is very easy to delude yourself --with any martial art-- but when you don't spar at all, the problem is greatly compounded.

[JudokaGJJ]

@sandmanfluidfilm I just recently joined an AJJF DZR school at Long Beach and was wondering if AJJF schools incorporate randori into their training.

[jackingoldsby]

@Daedalus294, @namayake.

I can assure you that is not the way we train at DZR NYC. We are a small club run on a nonprofit basis at very reasonable fees (no contracts, no grading fees etc. We don't even get charged for the physical belt), and while we try to train hard, any time we spar, we are reminded to take care of each other, avoid inflicting injuries, and bring along the new guys with encouragement.

[Daedalus294]

@ namayake

that is quite normal, the beaten to a pulp type thing. a lot of these schools, especially brazillian ju jitsu ones, they want to take your money, and they dont give a crap about you. they just care about paying the rent.

I would suggest if you look to other martial arts in the future, try to see if you can train privately one on one with your insructor.

[SandToof]

no way this stuff would work on me

[VISIONMORBID]

Great jujutsu school in NYC

Danzan NYC  a real good school

[jackingoldsby]

@aknowneemus . DZR on the other hand, follows the traditional emphasis on several components groundfighting, throwing, falling, vulnerable points, choking and locking, striking. Different dojos emphasize different elements, although they have the same core syllabus. At the DZR NYC dojo in addition to the traditional elements and self defence arts, we do a lot of conditioning, and we also spar under judo rules in stand-up and ground fighting to allow people to test their technique under stress.

[jackingoldsby]

@aknowneemus . It's different. BJJ is an offshoot of Kano's judo (I believe it was still called jiujutsu sometimes then). At that stage Kano had removed a lot of the striking techniques etc.In Brazil it was refined further and developed its emphasis on groundfighting. Most pure BJJ players would cheerfully admit they don't spend much time on throwing, falling or striking. That said, they have great conditioning, and get a lot of groundfighting experience through constant playing