I am amazed when RCs put their faith & trust in a system this system cannot save anyone the RCC sacraments are as worthless in salvation as the priest that dispenses them the bible clearly explains how a sinner gets Saved its by grace through faith in the merits of Christ's finished work but RCC being the false religion it is REJECTS Gods revealed truth concerning salvation you need a new nature before you can become part of Christs true church & sacraments cannot give it to you neither can RCC
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Well in John's gospel, Jesus calls Himself Seven I ams. He who said "for my flesh is food is indeed" because He is the bread of life also said in 10:9 I am the door, if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved.. Do you mean He is a real door hanging of hinges or that when He said "I am the Vine" He is twisting Himself around the pole? Come on! When Jesus performed a miracle at the wedding, the wine indeed tasted like wine, it did not remain water!
"The veil" here is the veil of bread. Jesus'"TRUE PRESENCE" behind the veil of bread. Same with the wine."
I am not surprised that you could come up with such redicilous interpretation of Scriptures since RCC knows nothing about imputation being explained in Heb. 10! You believe you can make yourselves worthy in God's eyes by your rituals.
"The veil" here is the veil of bread. Jesus'"TRUE PRESENCE" behind the veil of bread. Same with the wine."
I am not surprised that you could come up with such redicilous interpretation of Scriptures since RCC knows nothing about imputation being explained in Heb. 10! You believe you can make yourselves worthy in God's eyes by your rituals.
@Fallschirmjaeger29 1 Cor.11:24-25 and when he had given thanks, he broke it & said 'This is my body which is for you; DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME In the same way after supper he took the cup, saying 'This cup is the new convenant in my blood, do this whenever you drink it, IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME."
--> Show me where He says merely "a symbol"; "THIS IS"< I have done just that. You don't remember a person who is present in the physical. Is that too hard to understand?
@Fallschirmjaeger29 But answer my question! Did Peter pastor the Church in Rome? As far as I am concerned Peter just calls himself an elder among other elders. 1 Pet 5:1 "To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder...2 be shepherds of God's flock that is under your cares serving as overseers..4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears (Jesus Christ)...
a) Peter is not writing to other apostles
b) Peter does not call himself the Chief Shepherd but titles it to the Lord.
@Fallschirmjaeger29 "He also tols His apostles, "HE WHO HEARS 'YOU' HEARS ME. HE WHO REJECTS 'YOU' REJECTS ME. IT WAS NOT YOU WHO CHOSE ME, RATHER I CHOSE YOU AND I ORDAINED YOU""
That statement has two sides. One is hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ from those who faithfully present it to those who have not heard it, or who have left the faith for some reasons. That is what I understand.
The other one which is yours is not about the Gospel but rather a lust for authority.
Jesus said in Jn 6 that whoever ate of HIs flesh and drank of His blood, that they would not perish, rather have life everlasting.
"FOR MY FLESH IS REAL FOOD, AND MY BLOOD IS REAL DRINK"..
U think that Jesus cannot create this miracle? It's been ongoing for 2K yrs! Dontcha think that BY NOW if this wasnt VALID that Jesus would/ve made it known? Paul even states that this is valid in 1Cor10:16-17; 11:23-29
"The veil" here is the veil of bread. Jesus'"TRUE PRESENCE" behind the veil of bread. Same with the wine.
Read Paul's own words too in 1Cor10:16-17; 11:23-29
The doctrine of breaking bread (Acts 2:42) is the liturgy of the eucharist. This authority given from Christ as His ministers to CARRY OUT THIS DOCTRINE GIVEN TO THEM BY "HIM"
"DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME" -Jesus at the Last Supper
Peter was the presiding BISHOP of the Church. He was the ONLY head Bishop, even over the others, back then. Linus (2Tim4:21) succeeded him after Peter was martyred. Then came Anacletus. Then Clement (Phil 4:3)
Also, at the Last supper when he BROKE BREAD & said to His apostles "TAKE THIS ALL OF YOU AND 'EAT IT', THIS IS MY BODY WHICH WILL BE GIVEN UP FOR YOU.." "TAKE THIS ALL OF YOU AND DRINK, FOR THIS IS THE CUP OF MY BLOOD" --> Show me where He says merely "a symbol"; "THIS IS" !!
I am amazed when RCs put their faith & trust in a system this system cannot save anyone the RCC sacraments are as worthless in salvation as the priest that dispenses them the bible clearly explains how a sinner gets Saved its by grace through faith in the merits of Christ's finished work but RCC being the false religion it is REJECTS Gods revealed truth concerning salvation you need a new nature before you can become part of Christs true church & sacraments cannot give it to you neither can RCC
glizag 2 days ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Well in John's gospel, Jesus calls Himself Seven I ams. He who said "for my flesh is food is indeed" because He is the bread of life also said in 10:9 I am the door, if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved.. Do you mean He is a real door hanging of hinges or that when He said "I am the Vine" He is twisting Himself around the pole? Come on! When Jesus performed a miracle at the wedding, the wine indeed tasted like wine, it did not remain water!
bulyabalive 4 days ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Have you ever read Heb10:19-20?
"..behind the veil, that is to say, HIS FLESH"
"The veil" here is the veil of bread. Jesus'"TRUE PRESENCE" behind the veil of bread. Same with the wine."
I am not surprised that you could come up with such redicilous interpretation of Scriptures since RCC knows nothing about imputation being explained in Heb. 10! You believe you can make yourselves worthy in God's eyes by your rituals.
bulyabalive 4 days ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Have you ever read Heb10:19-20?
"..behind the veil, that is to say, HIS FLESH"
"The veil" here is the veil of bread. Jesus'"TRUE PRESENCE" behind the veil of bread. Same with the wine."
I am not surprised that you could come up with such redicilous interpretation of Scriptures since RCC knows nothing about imputation being explained in Heb. 10! You believe you can make yourselves worthy in God's eyes by your rituals.
bulyabalive 4 days ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 1 Cor.11:24-25 and when he had given thanks, he broke it & said 'This is my body which is for you; DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME In the same way after supper he took the cup, saying 'This cup is the new convenant in my blood, do this whenever you drink it, IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME."
--> Show me where He says merely "a symbol"; "THIS IS"< I have done just that. You don't remember a person who is present in the physical. Is that too hard to understand?
bulyabalive 4 days ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 But answer my question! Did Peter pastor the Church in Rome? As far as I am concerned Peter just calls himself an elder among other elders. 1 Pet 5:1 "To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder...2 be shepherds of God's flock that is under your cares serving as overseers..4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears (Jesus Christ)...
a) Peter is not writing to other apostles
b) Peter does not call himself the Chief Shepherd but titles it to the Lord.
bulyabalive 4 days ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 "He also tols His apostles, "HE WHO HEARS 'YOU' HEARS ME. HE WHO REJECTS 'YOU' REJECTS ME. IT WAS NOT YOU WHO CHOSE ME, RATHER I CHOSE YOU AND I ORDAINED YOU""
That statement has two sides. One is hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ from those who faithfully present it to those who have not heard it, or who have left the faith for some reasons. That is what I understand.
The other one which is yours is not about the Gospel but rather a lust for authority.
bulyabalive 4 days ago
@bulyabalive
Jesus said in Jn 6 that whoever ate of HIs flesh and drank of His blood, that they would not perish, rather have life everlasting.
"FOR MY FLESH IS REAL FOOD, AND MY BLOOD IS REAL DRINK"..
U think that Jesus cannot create this miracle? It's been ongoing for 2K yrs! Dontcha think that BY NOW if this wasnt VALID that Jesus would/ve made it known? Paul even states that this is valid in 1Cor10:16-17; 11:23-29
Fallschirmjaeger29 5 days ago
@bulyabalive
Have you ever read Heb10:19-20?
"..behind the veil, that is to say, HIS FLESH"
"The veil" here is the veil of bread. Jesus'"TRUE PRESENCE" behind the veil of bread. Same with the wine.
Read Paul's own words too in 1Cor10:16-17; 11:23-29
The doctrine of breaking bread (Acts 2:42) is the liturgy of the eucharist. This authority given from Christ as His ministers to CARRY OUT THIS DOCTRINE GIVEN TO THEM BY "HIM"
"DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME" -Jesus at the Last Supper
Fallschirmjaeger29 5 days ago
@buly
Peter was the presiding BISHOP of the Church. He was the ONLY head Bishop, even over the others, back then. Linus (2Tim4:21) succeeded him after Peter was martyred. Then came Anacletus. Then Clement (Phil 4:3)
Also, at the Last supper when he BROKE BREAD & said to His apostles "TAKE THIS ALL OF YOU AND 'EAT IT', THIS IS MY BODY WHICH WILL BE GIVEN UP FOR YOU.." "TAKE THIS ALL OF YOU AND DRINK, FOR THIS IS THE CUP OF MY BLOOD" --> Show me where He says merely "a symbol"; "THIS IS" !!
Fallschirmjaeger29 5 days ago