Racist and Speciesist Vegans?!

There is no excuse for racism, and specially from animal rights activists. We need to be objective. Bigotry helps no cause.

Rules of civility and fairness should never go out the window. Attacking someone because of their race, gender, ethnicity, nationality, class, sexual orientation, religion or disability is wrong. Even if that person is eating a rabbit while taking a carriage horse ride and wearing a mink coat.
~ Doris Lin (January 10, 2010)

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[dismutased]

Well said. I was shocked at some of the opinions of my friends about the same thing. It just didn't occur to me that anyone could tar ALL the people from a country with the same brush and say they deserved the horrible situation Japan is going through. True compassion knows no bounds, be they race, gender, creed or species. :)

[porolita22]

@dismutased well said :)

[Shirotora1979]

I have a honest question here. When your speaking of specism and rights for animals.  Well with Rights come responsiblities...so if we were to give animals rights in the same way we give to humans (and yes humans are animals I know) what kind of responsiblities would they be expected to have?

[porolita22]

@Shirotora1979 Rights protect interests, the basic right we ought to give to nonhumans is the right not to be used as objects, the right to live. The same responsibilities that humans have cannot be applied in all respects to nonhumans because of obvious reasons. Would animals be given ALL the rights humans have? (right to education, to vote, etc) No. But in the respects that we are the same, that we are sentient beings with an interest in life, those rights needs to be respected.

[tommyk77]

I think more vegans should get involved in the skeptical community. It changed my life and is what lead me to ethics, thus to veganism. Anyone interested, check out "The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe". It's free and great fun (best outlet is itunes)

[tommyk77]

@dismutased Not sure about the "creed" thing. I'm nice to people of faith, but I challenging them over it is perfectly justified. Race, gender and species are things that are beyond one's control. Individual cases of being incorrect or even unfair are worthy of challenging

[Skillbus]

@ProlifeVeganAryan All of your arguments revolve around the assumption that what is natural is good. If this was correct, why are you on a computer? You say racism gives an evolutionary edge. You know what else does? Rape. Not everything that gives an evolutionary edge is good.

My opinion: fuck nature. Penicillin and fertilized farming are unnatural. Dying of rotten teeth at a young age is natural.

Also, tell me when anti-racism has been as bad as the holocaust and slavery.

[ProlifeVeganAryan]

@Skillbus

No racism isn't evil, you're just referring to extremely negative examples of racism. Any extreme can make virtually anything appear negative and unwholesome such as veganism, anti-racists, religion, etc.

Anti-racism is just pseudo-moral fluff that people speak of, but rarely apply to their lives, especially if they are racially conscious and prefer the company of their own race. Probably because anti-racism isn't natural, and thus goes against human instinct

[ProlifeVeganAryan]

@Skillbus

Racism is as inevitable and natural between the races as the lust between the genders. The only way racism can be realistically reduced is through racial separation.

Any race that ceases to be racist shall cease to exist. Races will always favour their own race above that other races, just as family members will favour their own over non-relatives.

Funny how you automatically assumed white over black. That's because the word racist is almost always applied to whites

[ProlifeVeganAryan]

@Skillbus

Racism provides an evolutionary edge, hence it's hard-wired in your brains. Considering to see no difference between choosing the life of a cute furry animal or a human child (anti-speciesism) is worse than seeing no difference between saving the life of a black or white person (anti-racism).

Yes, if I were to choose between saving a person's life based on race, I would favour my own, just as a parent would favour saving his child over someone elses in a burning building

[Skillbus]

@ProlifeVeganAryan @ProlifeVeganAryan And you would make a lousy firefighter if you would always save a white person in a burning house over a black person. If you examine the amount of harm racism has inflicted on humanity, I would say it is pretty fucking evil. Racism may be part of our nature, but that does not make it good or acceptable. That's a naturalistic fallacy.

[ProlifeVeganAryan]

@porolita22

1. Animals are not equal to humans, if you genuinely think the worth of a cute furry animal is equal to a human child then say, hypothetically, you'd make a lousy firefighter.

2. Veganism does not equal non-violence; violence and hatred are not intrinsically evil, nor is racism.

3. Racism is a perfectly natural instinct to preserve one's own race, animals are no different.

4. You presupposed that racists must hate other races, that is not the definition of racism.

[PandaXGurl2011]

If you want to be completely Vegan and still want to eat yogurt, why don't you make your own? All Vegan ingredients.

[chainamarie03]

In the US we keep our cruelty to other species hidden in slaughterhouses and 'cept for PETAs' undercover vids we would not know alot of the awful truth of torture.

Asians on the other hand blatantly post their cruelty and don't seem to give it a second thought.

Except for other vegans I can not stand most other people. They stick to their ignorant ideas even when cold hard FACTS are shoved in their faces.

I really want to be tolerant but I feel pretty burnt out. To sum it up: just go vegan!