We Still Don't Need Money: Davos Question (ProteanView)

"Poverty has been defined as a lack of currency not a lack of needs. A person with access to food all year round from subsistence farming is seen as poorer than a factory worker who needs two jobs just to eat." ~Grayto (YouTube)

Without currency and globalization, human nature can best be found in tribes which are communal. I'm not suggesting tribal life, but I am suggesting that, instead of being afraid of repeating history, we learn from it and operate in villages. I suggest we allow ourselves to be honest about the perils of modern day civilization and stop clinging to and defending the third-party control that money is and the unhealthy processed foods & preservatives that come with 'civilization'.

Let's not suppose we know human nature. Humans have been around for a good while.

This is about as improbable as globalization or the Airbus A380 once was before the Wright brothers.

Are you the kind who would say, "Globalization can never work. Too many sovereign nations w/ their own militia"? Are you the type who would say, "How can a contraption that heavy fly"?

..or are you the type who thinks, "How can this be"?

Your initial response will tell you a lot about yourself.

We shouldn't extrapolate our way of life on humankind at large.
(This is a response to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuwLQvo7lS0

(wearing a shirt 2 sizes too small. i had no idea how ridiculous i've looked all this time. ...that's sad)

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[modelmark]

the problem with barter is that if you want a chicken and you produce pickles, you need to find a pickle wanting chicken producer. That is a hard thing to find. That is why goods in demand were use as intermediate. These goods needed to be durable, divisible and have a low weight value ratio. Often gold and silver was used. I think money is corrupted now, because it is produced by a monopoly protected by violence from competition.

[proteanview]

modelmark

In our current system, we're defined by 1 commodity - engineer, teacher, pickle-producer. We're more than that. A pickle-grower can also grow a number of other foods. He can also do minor repairs, cook, sew...

Additionally, when humans first started inhabiting deserts, all services weren't there. People and businesses moved around. Humans have a way of adjusting & 'shaking down'. Something tells me that you'd rather find ways this wouldn't work than even consider how it may.

[snave633]

A good argument but ultimately greed is indepenent of money. Men can hoard an resource, food, coal, iron ore, gold, etc

[proteanview]

snave: Yeah. If I could go back and change one thing about this video, it would be that statement that I make... with such certainty, of course. How embarrassing ;-)

[deltabird]

sorry, but money does not make greed. humans and animals both make greed. greed exists without money, other objects and power can both be hoarded. greed is simply a relic from evolution. if an animal did not have the want to gather and hoard its food and shelter for itself and its kind, they would not survive. if cultures did not gather their resources and build up their power they would not have prospered. if either of these examples lacked that trait they would lose to those with that instinct

[idiothek]

really? how many houses for how many ears of corn? how many hours tutoring for motorcycle?

dude money was created because bartering is impractical.

[lawter1234]

Money itself can be a very useful tool to gain the goods and services we all need and use. I don't like the greed aspect that money has created in this society. I believe that the ones who have should seriously look at giving the ones who don't a hand up instead of just ignoring people in need of help. The ones with the its all about me syndrome are the same types that were jumping out of building when they lost it all during the depression years. Pay IT Forward works if we all do it.

[summondadrummin]

@proteanview I appreciate your inquiry into money. From my study I've learned that people have been thinking intensely about how to change the structure of the money system for hundreds if not thousands of years in an effort to create a more just way of exchanging goods and services. For example look up Silvio Gesell Worgl Experiment. Or Edgar Cahn Time Bucks.

[LostLikeYou]

you're thinking too much about the money and what it means than the fact that you are just a slave. the shirt you wear in this vid is a minimal amount of cloth sewn by slaves, and the design was printed by slaves, shipped by slaves, sold by slaves, bought by slaves. the money you bought it with are just your slave credits to make you fee like you arent a slave.

[natedaug1]

@idiothek Our society is way too big to barter, and we don't know most people, out there, so we have money. No one has the energy or time to try and independently evaluate how much everything would cost through bartering. I have no idea how a society would work without money, it is just really impractical.

[xchainlinkx]

i recommend you to look up the venus project. It's a step above money and bartering. We can make an abundance of needed resources using technology if we wanted to, but our society is so dumb to realize that, and thus creates scarcity and poverty to make it easier to gain profit.

We don't need fiat money, and we don't need gold. We need food, water, shelter, education, and love. And we can provide all of that for everyone if we all learned to grow up, and grow out of this system.

[FacultyZ]

Yes that is excatly have you read Albert Mezlter?

[summercures2]

OMG. This has to be the only idea that I disagree with Protean View. There is a book called Basic Economics: Third Edition by Thomas Sowell. This book basically deconstructs every economic fallacy to date. You can also find Thomas Sowell on Youtube. I also recommend Milton Friedman. These are two of the greatest economists of our time.

[ColdBoi]

lets all become Amish yay!

[mexmetal666]

Money is fucking useless!!!!