D'Souza / Loftus Debate, Pt 9/13

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"Does the Christian God Exist?": A Debate between Dinesh D'Souza and John W. Loftus, 2/9/10.
Mr. D'Souza is the author of _What's So Great About Christianity?_ and answered in the affirmative; Mr. Loftus, author of _Why I Became an Atheist_, answered in the negative.

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[mjt532]

7:15 Jesus died around 32 AD...the first of the NT books were written 10-20 years after his death, 60-70 AD. How many misstatements can one person make in a debate?

[BigVK19]

Psalmist91, once you posit supernatural explanations, why is it that the God hypothesis the only valid option? Why can't one argue for other supernatural options? D'Souza looks at natural explanations to account for the resurrection of Jesus and comparing them to his *supernatural* explanation, he concludes that his supernatural is the only logical one. But why? Why is there only one supernatural plausibility of the resurrection?

[psalmist91]

D'Souza is excellent.

Notice the difference between his clarity, his convictions, and the reasonableness of his views on point after point.

Loftus is consistently weak, unpersuasive - a mess.

Contra to an earlier comment, D'Souza's argument about the failure of the Romans and Jews to produce the body is a strong argument. Other proffered explanations (appeared dead/resuscitated, etc.) are not plausible.

Likewise, critics efforts to re-date Scripture writers as far later are unsupportable.

[MadMAn12gauge]

and then people question whether or not a man named Stan lee existed hahahahAZha

[MadMAn12gauge]

@piprod01 Spider man was real! because there is a place called new york....spider man crawled along side the empire state building....and there was a building there called that, and OOOOOO look there are tones of books and subject matter on this spectacular and amazing spiderman....I could just immagine 40 years from now say global catastrophe someone finds spiderman books, and then makes a religion out of it haha

[piprod01]

So, the best explanation for an empty tomb and a few people thinking he was alive was that god resurrected his only son? The funniest thing about this is that we have modern examples were people claim to see someone we know to be dead; many people claim to have seen Elvis after his death, for example. And there need be no explanations for which there are no facts - these claims are not facts, as historians such as Bart Ehrman agree.

[Sweet92Sue]

LOL, Dinesh at 9:42: "your professor is wrong". Yes, dear "freethinking" atheists, sometimes even college professors are WRONG. We know you love your human worship, but it's true--humans are fallible.

God, however, is never wrong. So why do "freethinkers" put their trust in fallible human secularists? Hmmm....

[Sweet92Sue]

John Loftus makes a silly statement and the atheists, like the clapping seals/lemmings they are at these events, laugh.

And they think they're the "freethinkers". *sigh*

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@mollkatles That is your opinion.

[CapsHockey100]

Even if you grant the Gospels at 70AD that is still very early for ancient history. More importantly, Paul is dated significantly earlier and he is an eyewitness! Two keys of historicity are early and eyewitness. Several highly influential critical scholars date the tradition that Paul teaches (1 Cor. 15:3-7) to the early 30's! Quite earlier than 70 (which is still good).