Seven sings "It can't be wrong" - Killing Game scene

The infamous scene from the "killing game part 1", the Janeway/7of9 subtext is glorious!

Edit: Okay here some explanations on the subtext:

Quoting Wikipedia:
In the episode titled "The Killing Game, Part I" the crew thinks it is living in Nazi-occupied France and Captain Janeway becomes the owner of a nightclub where it is implied, but again never developed, that she is romantically involved with Seven of Nine.

More explanation from myself: It was woven in in a brilliant subtle way...as is generally known (or not) Janeway was "Humphrey Bogart" in this episode, and Seven was the "Lauren Bacall" type. Not just the dresses suggest that. Killing Game plays in 1944. Exactly in that year Bogart and Bacall met and fell in love. And Bacall got famous overnight with one percormance. That's only a parallel of many.
Now let's get to the intro in which Seven sings "It can't be wrong" from Dick Haymes (here the lyrics):

"Wrong, would it be wrong to kiss, (closeup on Seven - would it be WRONG to kiss?)
Seeing I feel like this?,
Would it be wrong to try?, (lesbian innuendo en masse)
Wrong, would it be wrong to stay,
Here in your arms this way?,
Under the starry sky, (voyager on its long travel through the universe)

If it is wrong, then why were you sent to me?, (camera turns to JANEWAY who walks in, she was sent to Seven you could say)
(also a look on the bigpicture, Janeway was sent to Seven to rescue her from the Borg)
Why am I content to be, With you forever?, (while Seven sings, camera lingers on Janeway...)
So, when I need you so much,
And I have waited so long, (yeah...lol)
It must be right, It can't be wrong"

And you never know what else could have happened on the holodeck, because the crew members themselves don't remember either after they woke up.

And of course above all these things: the glances, the atmosphere etc. *sighs* ...it's awful that I still have to explain J/7 to people ;)!


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[skabingoska]

There's nothing subtle on television, so I see no lesbian subtext, but perhaps a wink wink. The cinematic quotes are Janeway as Marlene and as Bogart/Rick in "Casablanca", and Seven as Bacall in "To Have and Have Not" more than Bergman in "Casablanca." Perhaps she has more in common with Bette Davis, as the song "It Can't Be Wrong" was written for and sung by Davis in a movie not coincidentally titled, "Now, Voyager."

[vastvision]

mwa hahaha great! thanks :)!

[DougAddams]

Okay, this is about the 9-billionth video I've seen implying that Janeway and 7 are "Lesbos". They're more mother/daughter than anything else. Get over it. They're strait; and they wouldn't give that sort of " behavior" a second thought (or even a first one for that matter). Better luck next time.

[vastvision]

What in this video is in your opinion implying that they are mother/daughter?

They just don't work as mother/daughter, everyone with a hint of sense could tell you that!

[nigelgst]

your choice of video is excellent, but your annotation is evidence of a hyperactive imagination, and your final sentence is pure condescenscion. the only thing i'll reluctantly concede to a possible J/7 relationship is the choice of song.

[vastvision]

A hyperactive imagination...I take that as a compliment okay?

[melymbrosia]

Damn, I meant that the C/7 relationship was rushed and tacked on, of course. Sorry, J/C'ers, it was a mistake!

[melymbrosia]

I hate to break this to you, but many, many women (and men) have same-sex attractions and relationships even after having been married. The J/7 relationship is intriguing because both parties are deeply lonely and occupy important roles in each other's lives. The J/C relationship was ridiculously rushed and tacked on.

[davidusk2]

...ummm, I think the only reason why this "subtext" is apparent to you is because you looked for it. Janeway was busy attending to customers and spying on the enemy while Seven of Nine was singing a song for the customers. That is the story line, not that lesbian crush thingy. Honestly, I highly doubt that is what the writers were thinking when they made this episode! duh

[webs87]

@davincent98 good point..i was referring to Dax/Lenara though

[davincent98]

@webs87 was it the Dax/Lenara Kiss or the kiss between Intendant Kira and Mirror Ezri? I thought that one was hotter,

[dastaylor]

@invisigoth841 She borrowed it from Elton John.

[dastaylor]

Beautiful voice, I love it when she sings!

[invisigoth841]

Oh my god, Janeway's outfit is so gay. I love her so much.

[webs87]

im gonna let you finish, but DS9 had the best lesbian scene of ALL TIME!

[eecarter333]

Even Jeri Ryan at a convention (one I was at) said there was hevey subtext and she had wished that the network would have allowed for it to be realtext between Seven and Janeyway.

[randomface54]

J/7 relationship started as janeway as seven's mentor, helping her discover humanity which developed to the point of romantic attraction until "endgame" when the producers got cold feet about including a lesbian relationship and randomly put 7 up with chakotay despite no major previous interaction between the pair

[pyschopixies]

@pienkunicorn Heh each to their own. That's the great thing about subtext it allows all sorts of different interpretations. I myself am an avid J/7'er so obviously my take is different to you. I do understand the Mentor/Mentee thing. The only thing i don't get is the Mother/Daughter thing. Probably cause i heard Kate say " They tried to make it mother/daughter and it just didn't work" at a Q and A in 08 or something. Like i said though, everyone will see it a different way so =]