Evolution Intelligent Design debate Meyer V Ward 11of11

Peter Ward paleontologist and University of Washington Professor of Geology, Biology, Zoology and Astrobiology.

Stephen C Meyer is a senior fellow at the discovery institute and co-wrote the note to teachers at the end of the book "Of pandas and people" which was central to the Kitzmiller V Dover trial which concluded that Intelligent Design is not science. Along with fellow Discovery institute fellows John Angus Campbell and William Demski pulled out of the Dover trial after depositions from the plaintiff experts were taken and thus would not defend the Intelligent Design claims of the Discovery Institute under oath at this trial. The Discovery Institute also boasts among it's fellows "Moonie" Jonathan Wells (The moonies believe that Jesus Christ failed in his salvation plan and that Rev Moon from Korea is the second coming of Christ)

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[stiimuli]

I have to agree with other posters. Though I still dont feel a good case for ID was made here, Meyers was extremely polite and articulate in a way I have not seen from ID proponents before.

Ward came off as a drunk jerk. Like he wasnt taking any of this seriously.

I hate to say it but I would score this debate firmly for the ID guys.

(ew...that made me throw up a little)

[pureebreeze]

148 dislikes from peter ward fans who thought he blew the debate.

[FreeSilio]

@stiimuli Agreed. Our judgement faculty is easy to be deceived, and by the way that's the reason why every kind of fraudsters (including creationists) need to look so polite.

Off topic: you got a nice channel. I subbed you. :-)

[stiimuli]

@FreeSilio I completely agree but personality still plays a part in social interaction. A dude acting like an ass won't get his points listened too. He came off as childish and petty. It effects likability and tints opinions as they form. As I stated, no plausible case for ID was made here regardless of Ward's poor behavior.

and, yes, I got the "Panda's and People" referance.

All ID has to do to be taken seriously is present a testable, repeatable hypothesis. It can't do so.

[FreeSilio]

@stiimuli OMHO the truth about a topic is related to the FACTS which support the debate, and I don't think that lies can become true if said in a "polite and articulate" way, so "cdesign proponentists" (no, I was not mistyping, if you know what I mean) will never win a debate.

...simply because creationism/ID is bullshit.

[MrBeefreetwo]

boy so many just hate the god view of why we are here an where did it all come from.No one can say for sure either way.but in my humble opinion about good an evil an the big bang an what was before that, points to some ultimate power that maybe one day we will find all the anwsers.if not then all of what we see,hear an observe means nothing.i can hardly believe that !!

[MrBeefreetwo]

meyer won this debate cause both of the speakers could not dominate-so therefore i find id plausible.

[icchiism]

Intelligen Design is not a Scientific Theory.. hypothesis? perhaps not even that..

[yohanesmalaysia]

Intelligent Design theory in biological science will bring scientific knowledge and advancement to a new paradigm that we even know of. Just as Einstein's new paradigm in physic bring to our scientific development. I can see that this will happen sooner or later.

[Seigu007]

@pureebreeze You're a sore loser

[TheWayandWordofLife]

Who's the Dude trying to do a Steve Martin impression? The white suit is just like one Steve Martin wears in The Jerk, and in Father of The Bride ii ( I think) !

[TheWayandWordofLife]

PZ MEYERS IS AN ARROGANT JERK, and he constantly interrupted him, by talking over him in a purposely LOUD voice, EVERY SINGLE TIME Steve proposed, and answered with an excellent answer!! THE MEDIATOR TOTALLY SHOULD HAVE NEVER ALLOWED IT!!! IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME BY EVOLUTIONISTS, in debates. The genius complexity of the LANGUAGE/ Communication in DNA ore than suggests the ORIGIN IS A SOURCE OF BRILLIANT INTELLIGENCE, and so does the sheer BRILLIANCE, and BEAUTY in the very special features, a