Proof For The Historical Jesus - Michael Licona

An excellent presentation on the Historical Jesus (outside the Gospels).

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[paulokas69]

Crucifixion does not kill mythical characters. Mythical characters can be supernatural...

[KapStuf]

@quakerman7 The question of god's nature is obviously separate from his existence, just as any fictional character can be described without existing. I'm not the one trying to conflate the issues.

If he is a 'total bastard' then of course we'd all rage against him, and indeed try to destroy him, as we would a human dictator who demands love but deserves none.

As for your occasional homophone confusions, they belie the academic, educated tone you try to project.

[quakerman7]

@KapStuf I think that pointing out homophone issues is a mild ad-hominem attack and is pointless. Who among us here never gets tired and makes a mistake? Your original statement betrays many attitudes and assumptions that show the real nature of the problem. From Genesis onward, the question never really was 'Does God exist', but 'Is God a Total Bastard.' He could Show Up (and He will), but you would rage against Him. Better for Him to show his character first, power second. Prefer opposite?

[KapStuf]

@quakerman7 Given your beliefs about an afterlife, would you want to spend eternity doing nothing but tell an all-powerful cosmic dictator how wonderful he is? Might get dull after the first thousand years.

And BTW, it's "our". Odd how someone who's read so many learned books stills gets his homophones confused.

[eventhisidistaken]

@quakerman7 I understand the claim that Jesus rose supernaturally, but my affirmation remains. People do not rise from the dead. The supernatural must be shown to actually exist before it can reasonably be employed. There is no supernatural.

In regard to the messianic prophecies, what they actually prove is that the NT books were written later than the OT books - which is something we already knew anyway. It's trivial to invent/modify a story to match a prophecy.

[quakerman7]

@KapStuf This was a tough one. I have been holding off on this, ever since I started watching debates and it would come up. I've watched 70 hrs of one-on-one debates (way better than 1-sided, lemme tell ya), and this occasionally pops up.

Watch: The Darkness and Mass Resurrection at the Time of the Crucifixion, uploaded by misterD418 on May 7, 2011. If you wish, continue to do your own research. The limits of youtube textboxes makes this hard to answer.

[quakerman7]

@KapStuf Are we having a real discussion here? When I see someone ask and answer their own question in the same post 'Yes. Next.', it really makes me wonder about their open-mindedness. Of course, all of it could be bullshit. Are brains could be nothing more than wormfood. Of course, if that is true, I wonder why anybody gets so upset. Question: 'Given your current attitude towards God, would you even *want* Him to be showing up and/or in your face with absolute, choice-crushing truth.'

[KapStuf]

@quakerman7 What about the thousands of others who rose from the dead in Jerusalem with Jesus? That prophecised mass zombie event which is in the gospels, but which wasn't noticed by any historians and was never mentioned again?

[KapStuf]

@quakerman7 Could christian theology really be bullshit for 2000 years? Could islamic theology really be vacuous for 1000 years? Could budhist theology really be circular for 2500 years?

Yes. Next.

[quakerman7]

@KapStuf Do you really think the likes of Ravi Zacharias, Michael Ramsden, John Lennox, WLC (and I'm only naming current speakers, forget about the last 2000 years), would get anywhere if they were circular? Do you think anybody would give them a doctorate? omg, maybe if that is all that is necessary, I should get one.  You will never see them or me saying, 'but, but, you just gotta Believe' (with an earnest tone). Let's leave that crap up to the Mormons and all other Fideists, agreed?