What IS Magic?

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A discussion on the nature of magic, reality, and the difference between the two.

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[MightyMikeT]

Very well said Keight ! I hadn't actually seen this one yet =)

[BionicDance]

@MightyMikeT Well, it's two years old; how many people would really go through someone's back catalog, especially when they're approaching 400 videos?

Thanks for checking it, tho! :)

[HimesInu]

Magic is, well, magical.:p

[BionicDance]

@KnownNoMore By the logic you've been using, there is no way to determine that anything caused anything at all. YOU are making certain baseless assumptions, namely that there WILL be a rational explanation.

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left--however improbable--must be the truth.

[KnownNoMore]

@BionicDance

You dont need to get angry. I didnt say that you said D was the right answer. Obviously you dont believe in magic. But you did imply in the video that if we can eliminate certain tricks that then it becomes reasonable to assume that magic might did it.

That was what I was refering to. You basically say: If not A, B and C then probably D. correct? (3:38-3:48)

[BionicDance]

@KnownNoMore Yes, you DID say something unreasonable. And you continue to.

You've STARTED from the position that I'M saying that D is the right answer WHEN I NEVER FUCKING SAID ANYTHING OF THE KIND.

Until you get THAT through your head, this conversation is over.

[KnownNoMore]

@BionicDance

"It seems to me that YOU are the one running on automatic here, giving in to preconceptions rather than logic, reason, and evidence."

Well, sorry but it doesnt seem logical and reasonable to me that you can say that D is the right answer when A,B and C are eliminated (maybe its E,F or G, etc?) I would say you need to have actual evidence that D is the right answer, not merely eliminate alternatives of an unknown number of possibilities

Or am I saying something unreasonable here?

[BionicDance]

@KnownNoMore Look, I'm sorry, but there is simply no point in discussing this with you. You've already gotten the wrongest POSSIBLE idea of what my position is, and I really don't see you willing to hear that you're wrong about that. You're trying to refute something I'm not saying.

[BionicDance]

@KnownNoMore 1 - Oh, *I* see...NOW you're changing the rules on us, moving the goal posts by postulating a universe OTHER than the one we live in. I'm interested in proving whether magic exists HERE, not in Fantasia, kiddo.

2 - I never said it was. YOU'RE erroneously assuming that I'm STARTING with a conclusion, which I'm not. I'm saying that you eliminate what's impossible AND SEE WHAT'S LEFT, not picking between preconceived notions.

[KnownNoMore]

@BionicDance

No BD it simply doesnt work that way. In order to have a scientific explanation for an event, you need to show what caused it and how. If for example evolution would be disproven and we simply cannot conceive of any natural way we could have come about naturally, does that mean we got here by supernatural means? No absolutely not. We could then only conclude that we dont know how we got here. Our ignorance and limitations would not be evidence of supernatural creation.