A Matter of a Few Degrees, Mormon Leaders Speak

President Uchtdorf tells the importance of staying on the narrow gospel path. He uses the story of the 1979 Flight 901 Mount Erebus airline tragedy to illustrate his point.

From April 2008 General Conference.

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[calatis4u]

SUN-day worship is that right? rev.12:17! lds is just one of the daughter of the harlot (roman cat. church)

[DrewSRail]

Again, your facts are way off. The RLDS church does not call themselves RLDS anymore.

And calling FLDS members of the Church of the Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is like calling Martin Luther a Catholic.

Obviously, funnrun, you are not looking for truth about Mormons. That you believe you found it is great. I am happy for you. I really am.

You just do not have an understanding of the LDS faith, so I wish you the best

[DrewSRail]

You want actual quotes?

How about Joseph Smith?

"'Wherein do you differ from other sects?'"

"In that we believe the Bible, and all other sects profess to believe their interpretations of the Bible, and their creeds."

(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119)

I have quoted Joseph, I have quoted Fielding Smith (your quote in context, actually), I have quoted the Church today.

And quoting the source is spin?

[DrewSRail]

You have pulled quotes out of context, and call me spinning?

Have you read Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 3, page 198 yet?

You have never gone to the actual source, but have read commentary written by those who are antagonistic towards the church, and you call me spinning?

You blatantly refuse to go to the source, and I spin?

I do not think you know what spin means.

[funnrun]

I go to directly to your prophets quotes in order to find out what the Church teaches & believes, I do not need your spin!

If someone is acting foolish, calling them a fool is not an attack!

Not all Mormon believe the same! Rlds, Flds, LDS, and please don't bore me with numbers, cause there are far more " Christians" then Mormons, So Who is right, to say you have truth is your opinion, but the fact remain, the Bible is last on the list of Mormon truth.

[DrewSRail]

I agree 100% with Fielding Smith, when put into context.

He stated that the Doctrine and Covenants "contains the word of God to those who dwell here now."

He was stating that following modern revelation is more important than following written words. The Doctrine and Covenants was still a work in progress when he wrote those words, revelations were still coming.

Christ said exactly this to the Jews when Christ walked the Earth.

They did not like that, either.

See John 5:32-47.

[DrewSRail]

I am unsure what you are talking about.

I have asked you to read the quote in context, which you have not done and explain it in context.

Quoting someone out of context is dishonesty.

Would you agree?

[DrewSRail]

However, calling someone a fool goes beyond the debate and into personal attacks.

As clarified earlier in this forum, I will remove all personal attacks.

If anyone cares to know what you wrote, you wrote that LDS leaders do not believe the Bible.

I know the doctrine of my church, funnrun.

Unfortunately you do not.

[DrewSRail]

Funnrun,

The disagreement is that we do not interpret the Bible the same way that you do.

No two Christian denominations do. As a matter of fact, there are splits within the same denominations (ie homosexuality within the Anglican faith).

I do not come here as a defender of the bible. I never said that.

I post videos on here to clarify LDS beliefs and uplift others.

[funnrun]

Your problem is with Your Own Prophet!, not Me!

I understand the Mormon faith does not think the Bible is Correct, & is Corrupt!

And that is why I'm not a Mormon, as is 99.97% of the World

The "biggest deception" of the Mormons is that their "Sacred Books" contradict each other, AND the Bible!, Thus all the confusion on the "Most Correct Book" in the Mormon faith!

You threats of removal and Blockage are typical Mormon, and only show your weakness and denial of your Prophets own words.

[DrewSRail]

Well, if you will not take my word for it, then how about the Church's?

"In English, the King James Version of the Bible is accepted as scripture by the Church.

In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we revere the Bible and its sacred teachings"

(True to the Faith, an official publication of the LDS church, p. 157).

[DrewSRail]

Funnrun,

You have been invited to quote this statement in its context.

Please go back, read the quote in context, and explain what Fielding Smith means.

If you fail to do so, I will remove this statement as you are misrepresenting Fielding Smith.

[DrewSRail]

You are trying to change the argument. Your original reason for quoting this was to say that the Joseph's revelations cannot be critiqued using the Bible. Matthews never says that.

Your beef has been that the LDS faith is "a few degrees off."

Matthews is stating that the manner in which Joseph received revelation is the same as ancient prophets (which is in line with God being a God that does not change).

[DrewSRail]

I stand by the comment as well.

Are you saying there are zero errors in the Bible? That through thousands of years, and numerous translations, and hand written copying, that there is zero chance for error in the Bible, and it is perfect?

Even the authors of the Book of Mormon admitted there were sure to be errors.

[funnrun]

hmmm.

Let me get this straight, but first,

Because you have the The King James Version in your house proves nothing, The Devil believes in God.,

This is about the Mormon faith , and where the Church Founders, Leaders and Teachers says it lays, It does not matter where YOU says it lays, You are a member, Not the Church! OK! good!

[funnrun]

Joseph Fielding Smith, the tenth Prophet, Seer and Revelator said :

"In my judgment there is no book on earth yet come to man as important as the book known as the Doctrine and Covenants,"........

NO BOOK!, and this would include the Bible, so who cares what other book he is talking about, The Subject is Bible Validity!

[funnrun]

Robert J. Matthews, professor of ancient scripture at BYU

"The Bible was not the source of the doctrines the Prophet Joseph Smith taught.

"THE BIBLE WAS NOT THE SOURCE"

( thank you Robert) again The Subject is Bible Validity

[funnrun]

Joseph Smith:

"I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."

ANY OTHER BOOK! again The Subject is Bible Validity!

No where does any of these men say the Bible is "THE MOST CORRECT BOOK"

Sorry!

[DrewSRail]

Would you care to come to my house and look at all of my Bibles? You can see which version I use. The King James Version.

That is the official version of the church.

Sure there are things that Joseph wrote in the footnotes.

Are you honestly stating that the Bible is perfect? With all the translations and editing through the years, there is not one chance of there being one thing different than what was originally spoken by the prophets?

And out of curiosity, why do you call him Joe?

[DrewSRail]

Now that is confusing.

[DrewSRail]

So what does that quote mean, funnrun?

Please read page 198 of Smith's book and tell me. Because he explains it, though Decker does not. He pulled the quote out of context to support his argument.

I think it is ironic that you are quoting Decker who twice stood before church authorities and denounced what he had written (and thrice denounced that).

So rather than go to the original source, you are relying on the interpretation of a man who has lied and denounced everything he has ever said?

[DrewSRail]

and

"The Holy Bible has had a greater influence on the world for good than any other book ever published."

and

"When I say that, do not for a moment think I do not value...the Bible...just as much as any man that lives; I think I do. I do not know of anybody who has read (it) more, and I appreciate (it); (it is) wonderful; (it) contain(s) doctrine and revelation and commandments that we should heed"

[DrewSRail]

2. What did he mean when he said that?

He also said in that same volume and chapter:

"(T)he Bible's great influence for good is because it is inspired and contains the word of the Lord delivered to his prophets, who wrote and spoke as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost, since the world began."

and

"We will cling to the Bible"

[DrewSRail]

Funnrun, please put the quote into context. I can see how it is confusing when taken out of context.

1. When was the Third Volume of the Doctrines of Salvation written? Was Joseph Fielding Smith the prophet when it was? Nope. Not for another 14 years.

[DrewSRail]

It is your friend, Mr. Wilson, who took Matthews' words and said, "Do you know what this means?"

Professor Matthews never said, "the Bible can be used to support Latter-day revelation, but not to critique it"

That is Wilson's assumption. And Mr. Wilson is incorrect.

I am not calling him a liar.

It would have been better to reword it to state:

"the Bible can be used to support Latter-day revelation, but not to critique it using what I believe the Bible to mean"